Readers’ Responses to Our Question (194)

To Anonymous:
You are right. We all reap what we sow. Galatians 6:7 says: “Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap;”

Here is an answer for you:
The Bible says humans were created with the ability to make personal decisions, choosing between right and wrong.

Free will is a precious gift. God has made countless animals, and these are driven largely by instinct (Proverbs 30:24-28). On the other hand, humans have the freedom to make choices about what kind of person to become, what course of life to pursue, what friendships to form, and so on. We love to have a measure of freedom, and that is what God wants us to enjoy.

Jehovah is not interested in service under compulsion (2 Corinthians 9:7).

So the question is, How will you use the free will that Jehovah has given you? You have the opportunity to put the marvelous gift of free will to the best possible use by taking a stand on Jehovah’s side and choosing the right course of life (John 17:3, 1Timothy 6:17-19).

Question for you!

Free will for what?

Free will to choose? Right from wrong, good from bad?

OR just free will like you said? Right or wrong, good or bad?

In any case you always face consequences/results of your choice!!!!

The constitution is an instrument of a human government. Humans were created with free will. Governments are free to do what they will and reap the benefits or consequences.

The better question is, “Should a Christian be part of human governments?”

What does the Bible say?

(2Timothy 3:16) “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,”

Christ set the example that must be followed by those serving God:

(1Peter 2:21) “In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.”
Jesus declined to get involved in politics.
(John 6:14, 15) “Hence when the men saw the signs he performed, they began to say: “This is for a certainty the prophet that was to come into the world.”Therefore Jesus, knowing they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again into the mountain all alone.”

Jesus' response was based on: 1)his Father's view of expressions of human self-determination, which include human rule; 2)Jesus' awareness that there are powerful, hidden forces working against even the best human efforts at rulership; and 3)God's purpose to establish a heavenly government to rule over the entire earth.

1) With the advantage of thousands of years of hindsight, we can see that human self-determination has not been successful. Ecclesiastes 8:9 states: "Man has dominated man to his injury." This record of human self-rule confirms the truthfulness of Jeremiah 10:23: "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." History has proved that humans do not have the capacity to rule successfully without their Creator.

Jesus agreed. Independence from God was abhorrence to him. "I do nothing of my own initiative," he said. "I always do the things pleasing to [God]." (John 4:34; 8:28, 29) With no divine authorization to receive kingship from humans, Jesus did not even consider accepting it. This does not mean that he was reluctant to help his fellowman. He did all in his power to assist people to find the greatest happiness then and in the future. He even gave his life for mankind. (Matthew 5:3-11; 7:24-27; John 3:16) But Jesus knew that "for everything there is an appointed time," including God's time to assert his sovereignty over mankind. (Ecclesiastes 3:1; Matthew 24:14, 21, 22, 36-39)
Throughout human history, God has provided guidance for those who sincerely desire to know his will. He inspired loyal men to record his communications for any who looked to him for guidance. These communications are recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16) He lovingly allowed faithful humans to come into a relationship with him, even becoming his friends. (Isaiah 41:8) And he provided them with the strength they needed to bear up under the difficult trials that mankind has experienced during these millenniums of independence. (Psalm 46:1; Philippians 4:13)
2) Satan, the Bible tells us, offered Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world and their glory" in exchange for one act of worship. (Matthew 4:8-10) Essentially, Jesus was offered world rulership—but on the Devil's terms. Jesus did not fall prey to this temptation. Satan could make such an offer. Jesus himself called the Devil "the ruler of the world," and the apostle Paul described him as "the god of this system of things."—John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 6:12.
Jesus knew that the Devil does not have mankind's best interests at heart. He described Satan as "a murderer" and as "the father of lies and of all that is false." (John 8:44)
3) Jesus stayed out of politics because he knew that at a future set time, God would establish a heavenly government to rule over the earth. The Bible calls this government God's Kingdom, and it was the main theme of Jesus' teaching. (Luke 4:43; Revelation 11:15) Jesus taught his disciples to pray for that Kingdom to come, for only under its rule will 'God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.' (Matthew 6:9, 10)
Jesus always did things God's way.
(Hebrews 10:7)
“Then I said, ‘Look! I am come (in the roll of the book it is written about me) to do your will, O God.’””

(John 4:34)
“Jesus said to them: “My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work.”

(John 6:38)
“because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.”
Instead of choosing an independent course and trying to prop up or improve the existing system of things by political means, Jesus worked hard to advance the interests of God's Kingdom, the only solution to the world's problems. For his loyalty he was rewarded with a glorious throne in heaven as the very King of that Kingdom.
What will happen to man-made governments is answered at Daniel 2:44: "In the days of those kings [ruling at the end of the present system] the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these [man-made] kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite."
God's Kingdom will have to "crush" earthly rulerships because these insist on perpetuating the God-defying spirit of self-determination promoted by Satan back in the garden of Eden. In addition to working against mankind's best interests, those who strive to perpetuate that spirit put themselves on a collision course with the Creator. (Psalm 2:6-12; Revelation 16:14, 16)
We must ask ourselves, 'Are we for or against rule by God?'
In order to help people make an informed decision about rulership, Jesus commissioned his disciples to preach the "good news of the kingdom . . . in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before the end of the present system comes. (Matthew 24:14)
Today, some six million Christians in over 230 lands are helping people to gain an accurate knowledge of that Kingdom. God's Kingdom is the real key to a truly happy world, and the message announcing it is rightly described as good news.
Millions today who imitate Jesus in putting God's Kingdom first and in submitting to God's will also enjoy a wonderful gift—the privilege of being earthly subjects of God's Kingdom. (Matthew 6:33) Under its loving rule, they will be raised to human perfection, with the prospect of everlasting life. (Revelation 21:3, 4) Says 1 John 2:17: "The world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever." With Satan and his followers swept away and the earth transformed into a global paradise free of divisive nationalism, corrupt commercial systems, and false religion, what an exquisite joy it will be to remain here forever.—Psalm 37:29; 72:16.

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Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims

WAS ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD?

Question:

How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?

Answer:

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8):

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"

9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."

10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

11. Sword of the Intellect.

It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious."
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.

Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born".

Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims

MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS

Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

7. Islam means peace

Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

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Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims

HIJAAB FOR WOMEN

Question:

Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

Answer:

The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijaab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijaab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

Babylonian Civilization:
The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

Greek Civilization:
Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

Roman Civilization:
When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.

Egyptian Civilization:
The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.

Pre-Islamic Arabia:
Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.

Hijaab for men

People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
[Al-Qur’an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

Hijaab for women.

The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
[Al-Qur’an 24:31]

3. Six criteria for Hijaab.

According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:

Extent:

The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.

All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.

The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.

The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.

The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.

The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.

4. Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

5. Hijaab prevents molestation

The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

6. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.

7. Capital punishment for the rapists

Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?

10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

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CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)

QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?

THEORY OF PROBABILITY

In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN

The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.

QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE

Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

Almaney, interesting bigoted reply. Judge not lest ye be judged, eh? Some people cannot grow beyond their self-imposed limitations. I think when you are president I will pay some attention to what you think. Meanwhile... You were just joking, right?

Knock, Knock -Jist (formerly The Jihadist), Eboo, John Esposito, Zudhi Jasser, Moody, Victoria, Pamela, Ahmen from Bahrain, et al- Anybody Home??,

(These questions are based on historic reality. They are not "irrational" attacks on Islam.)

Come on now, you can do it, what about those "wingie thingies" in your children's education, those hallucinations by the long-time dead, "cartoon- worthy" Arab, the inherent sins of Islam, terror and torture theocracies, Islamic plagiarizing of the good books, and Jay Smith's anti-koran study???

I would totally agree with Victoria's advise that one should not descend in tit for tat way.

I was carried away due to the recent Palestine Gaza border Muslims agony.

Though my way of addressing ON RECORD non Muslim bios and atrocities was not exemplary and up to the Muslims standards BUT mentioning them purposely also felt necessary, enabling every one to see the both side of picture here on blogs.

I personally felt ONLY showing and explaining the Muslim concepts correctly was not influencing the IRRATIONAL ATTACKS on Islam, therefore I also felt it important to HIGHLIGHT world events and in practice malicious theories for COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS only!

I would totally agree with Victoria's advise that one should not react in tit for tat way.

I was carried away due to the recent Plestine Gaze border muslims agony.

Though my way of addressing ON RECORD non muslim bios and atrocities was not examplary and up to the muslims expectations BUT mentioning them purposely also felt necessory, enabling every one to see the both side of picture here on blogs.

I personally felt ONLY showing and explaning the muslim concepts correctly was not influencing the IRRATIONAL ATTACKS on Islam, therefore also felt it important to HIGHLIGHT world events and melicious theories for COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS!

Knock, Knock Jist (formerly The Jihadist), Moody, Eboo, Victoria, Ahmed from Bahrain et al- Anybody Home??,

Come on now, you can do it, what about those "wingie thingies" in your children's education, those hallucinations by the long-time dead, "cartoon- worthy" Arab, the inherent sins of Islam, your Sunni superior class status, terror and torture theocracies, Islamic plagiarizing of the good books, and Jay Smith's anti-koran study???

(READ IT SLOWLY)

To the great fan and admirer CCNL of
USA masters "FATHER OF ALL DEVILS" ?
Rightly said by Iranian President before US mad bushy bush use the words axe.o.e.

AND below is the kind of LIBRATION AND FREEDOM your SECULAR, CAPTILIST, DEMOCARTE, CORPORATE MONSTOR ADMINISTRATION ESTABLISHMENT is providing to the world NOW for more than half century. YOU ARE SO PROUD OF.

GREEDY INTOLRENT ANIMALS!!!!!

CCNL & ALL the blood bath Admirers:

Now the World is fully aware of USA
1- Pentagon military organization "Chaos Theory" all over the world to support its Weapon Industry with more than 18000 fighter plans and more than 1800 war ships IN SERVICE which ALONE IS BIGGEST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD WEAPON INDUSTRIES & ARMS IN SERVICE COLLECTIVELY including Russia, China, India, Europe, NATO etc. And responsible of supplying illegal weapons all over the world FUELING ALL KIND OF BLOOD SHED ESPECIALLY IN CONTINENT OF AFRICA & MIDDLE EAST.
2- And USA White House civilian government "Conspiracy theory" to support its advances to control world resources.
Your and your Govt. credibility SUCKS.
Liars and conspirers!!!
Your pentagon driven Media conspires and All US dumb heads do is just follow the media slogans.
For example:
YOU and your stupid Bushy Bush call Iran Exe of Evil.
If some body with the slightest sense analysis. IRAN HAS NEVER SHOWN AGGRESSION WITH ANY BODY IN LAST 250 YEARS. It was puppet Saddam of Iraq who attacked Iran on his USA bushy master administration behalf.
IRAN HARDLY HAS ANY AIR FORCE & NAVY.
But USA mad administrative dogs talk about what if Iran will acquire nuck. They haven't yet.
This reason is so STUPID. The question is....
What about Pakistan already nuclear with ability to deliver.
What about Korea WHO THREATEN US RIGHT AT ITS FACE, what about Russia.
What about Mad Israel. Which is REAL THREAT WITH NUCKS to the whole Muslim world. If one look according to the MAD USA ADMINISTRATION PROSPECTIVE!!!
IT IS AGAIN PENTAGON + WHITE HOUSE driven Chaos and Conspiracy theory by Zionist controlled Media and stupid US masses again ONLY REPEATING media words like axe of evil, shia sunni, Iran Arabs bla bla bla without putting any burdon OR strain on there brains to once try to think REALISTICLY, same way like they believed in there Tyrant Rulers when there Rulers bluntly lied about EVERY THING to attack Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sunni and Shia are living peacefully side by side ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Even in more than 8 year Iran and Iraq war raged by USA Bushy Administration Iraqi puppet. There was NO UNREST in Iraqi civil fabric. NO ONE was attacking the establishment in the Iraq; No kind of CIVIL DESTRUCION was in progress, raping, killing, bomb blasting CIVILIANS BEORE THE US ANIMALS INVASION was in progress.
It is the same 300 YEARS OLD COLONIAL divide and ruthless rule technique PRACTICED BY the US animals, kill the Shia blame the Sunni, kill the Sunni blame the Shia FUEL THE FIRE AND KILL CIVILIANS INDESCRIMINATELY in the name of collateral damage.
THE WHOLE WORLD AND MUSLIMS ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF IT.

Kuwait war was again raged by USA ANIMAL Bushy Administration Iraqi puppet.

In Bosnia and Kosovo case, YOU ANIMALS kept your CRIMNAL SILENCE FOR 2-3 YEARS until YOUR butchers were done and satisfied with there Muslim slaughter. YOU ANIMALS couldn't bear the Muslim independent state on your European Continent. Saving them after you are done and satisfied is a big B.S.!!

CCNL,
Your pentagon chaotheratic or should i say chaotic mind need some med's.
If millions and millions of pilgirms from all the sects and countries OF THE WORLD are not good enough proof for your KIND then dig a hole and jump.
Muslim sectarian minor differences are not LIKE christian BRUTAL AND VIOLENT ENEMOCITY FILLED HISTORY.
And don't try to paint EVERY political violence as muslims responsible.
"Where ALL the DEVILS routes are in MAD PENTAGON CHAOS & MAD White House Conspiracy!!"

Moody, Moody, Moody,

You asked: "So if it (Islam) covers political nature of us, WHATS WRONG ABOUT IT?"

Hmmm, now read this very slowly so we don't have to repeat it again:

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "pretty thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

CCNL,

Now all you are left to do is to JUMP INTO THE DITCH, since you have nothing more to say or add.

Go Go hurry!

Moody, Moody, Moody, Jist, Jist, Jist,

No matter how you phrase it or from which side you look at it or from via the bottom or the top, there is only one contemporary conclusion possible:

No one is safe until the koran is "deflawed"!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean't to say "Khilafat".

Tribes from all the lands always selects there leaders and these leaders selected the Khalifa.
The ONLY first four rightly guided Khalif's of Islam.

"Shura" was the concil of the tribal leaders to pass the laws unanimously.

Just like in your modern weak form of democracy where President selected by the parlimentarians who are selected by the people.

And then that president become GOLAYA and start dictating torture laws, destruction and invasion and where your democracy start inslaving you by making personal life interveining laws about kids, women, men, marriage and so many others to make it living hell for you poor fallas!!

Chant hare Krishna.....and all solutions will be found!

http://krishna.com

Gary:

YOur exaggerated incorrect info based upon twisted historian lies doesn't add up with the FACTS. You need a correction which means bit more of comparaitve studies.

Islam is for humans, therefore UNLIKE OTHER CONCEPTS OR RELIGIONS, it has extensively explained every aspect of human behaviour, nature, actions, thougts and prescribed CORRECTIVE MEASURES AS WELL.

So if it covers political nature of us, WHATS WRONG ABOUT IT?

Your envy is based on UNFAIR REASONS!

It is UNFAIR to compare it with Christian Political "Masses" Blood Bath History.

In Muslim politcal past general masses were least effected. It was confined to power and rule ONLY.
And doesn't prove any where that Islamic Political Guide Lines are wrong at any level.

The First REAL Democracy was made by Muslims as "Shura", though didn't lasted for more than 40-50 years. Go and take some history lessons.
AND TRY TO AVOID FICTION!!!

Gary:

YOur exaggerated incorrect info based upon twisted historian lies doesn't add up with the FACTS. You need a correction which means bit more of comparaitve studies.

Islam is for humans, therefore UNLIKE OTHER CONCEPTS OR RELIGIONS, it has extensively explained every aspect of human behaviour, nature, actions, thougts and prescribed CORRECTIVE MEASURES AS WELL.

So if it covers political nature of us, WHATS WRONG ABOUT IT?

Your envy is based on UNFAIR REASONS!

It is UNFAIR to compare it with Christian Political "Masses" Blood Bath History.

In Muslim politcal past general masses were least effected. It was confined to power and rule ONLY.
And doesn't prove any where that Islamic Political Guide Lines are wrong at any level.

The First REAL Democracy was made by Muslims as "Shura", though didn't lasted for more than 40-50 years. Go and take some history lessons.
AND TRY TO AVOID FICTION!!!

Gary:

YOur exaggerated incorrect info based upon twisted historian lies doesn't add up with the FACTS. You need a correction which means bit more of comparaitve studies.

Islam is for humans, therefore UNLIKE OTHER CONCEPTS OR RELIGIONS, it has extensively explained every aspect of human behaviour, nature, actions, thougts and prescribed CORRECTIVE MEASURES AS WELL.

So if it covers political nature of us, WHATS WRONG ABOUT IT?

Your envy is based on UNFAIR REASONS!

It is UNFAIR to compare it with Christian Political "Masses" Blood Bath History.

In Muslim politcal past general masses were least effected. It was confined to power and rule ONLY.
And doesn't prove any where that Islamic Political Guide Lines are wrong at any level.

The First REAL Democracy was made by Muslims as "Shura", though didn't lasted for more than 40-50 years. Go and take some history lessons.
AND TRY TO AVOID FICTION!!!

TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ:

You don't even need to dig in the past FULL OF IT.
Just look at Irish Catholic Protestant decades long war.

Hello Gary,

You stated : "Good grief Moody get real Politics and religion are essentially indistinguishable in Islam. Islam has been involved in more wars of conquest than any other religion in history."

You mean Muslims or Islam?

I hate to bring this up, but did you really read and consider the history of the world in an objective and impartial manner?

Did you leave out the encounters with/discovery of the Americas and colonial and colonising period by European Christians of other lands and peoples in history?

North Americans said in their history books that Columbus "discovered" America.

Latin Americans, including Mexicans, in their history books, said Columbus "encountered" America.

Go figure.

Good grief Moody get real Politics and religion are essentially indistinguishable in Islam. Islam has been involved in more wars of conquest than any other religion in history.

Huckabee's statement is devoid of content. He is simply making an appeal to people with conservative, likely Christian leanings without actually outlining the amendments to the constitution he would make. This soundbite isn't even worthy of discussion, and is flat out disrespectful towards serious Christians who would like to see specific grievances dealt with.

Glitz at best, deception at worst. Typical.

Huckabee's statement is devoid of content. He is simply making an appeal to people with conservative, likely Christian leanings without actually outlining the amendments to the constitution he would make. This soundbite isn't even worthy of discussion, and is flat out disrespectful towards serious Christians who would like to see specific grievances dealt with.

Glitz at best, deception at worst. Typical.

I think that this forum is getting a little out of hand. The conversation has completely turned from Huckabee's comment to bashing between Christianity and Muslim faiths. Both have good people who are doing their best to follow what they believe is right. Why can we not accept that and move on. Come on people. Whether we are Christian or Muslim it is still in our teachings to treat others with respect. And that includes not bashing them behind some made up name over the internet. Be Mature. Live your religion, or if you chose not to have a religion, at least, please, live a good life. That's what this world needs. People LIVING what they believe.

Forget Huckabee: Romney is Storming the Gates

Youse Guys who said a Mormon couldn't win

now have to face up to the reality

that it is a two man race:

The Torturee vs the Change Artist.

How will Romney fare now.

Is the Mormon problem gone?

Henry the Mormon

Moody, Moody, Moody,

No matter how you phrase it or from which side you look at it or from via the bottom or the top, there is only one conclusion possible:

No one is safe until the koran is "deflawed"!!!!!!!!!!!!

IN REPLY TO
MOODY
Moody :
CCNL,

"Your pentagon chaotheratic or should i say chaotic mind need some med's.

If millions and millions of pilgirms from all the sects and countries OF THE WORLD are not good enough proof for your KIND then dig a hole and jump.

Muslim sectarian minor differences are not LIKE christian BRUTAL AND VIOLENT ENEMOCITY FILLED HISTORY."

REPLY:
Can you document some of these "violent enemocity [?????] filled Christian acts?"

Hopefully this is not a referendum on Huckabees personal opinions or aspirations to become President. He is not my favorite candidate but has at times presented good ideas. I believe this is a bad one and the American people and system of government will make that clear. It is very obvious that the society of today is much diferent then that of say 1776. Because there is a stark difference in society it is obvious leadership and government must be at a minimum willing to adjust to the situation. I believe a major part of our biblical tradition and history was the divine inspiration and handing down of rules, laws and a system that would provide for an efficient government.

To the great fan and admirer CCNL
of
USA masters "FATHER OF ALL DEVILS" ?
Rightly said by Iranian President before US mad bushy bush use the words axe.o.e.

AND below is the kind of LIBRATION AND FREEDOM your SECULAR, CAPTILIST, DEMOCARTE, CORPORATE MONSTOR ADMINISTRATION ESTABLISHMENT is providing to the world NOW for more than half century. YOU ARE SO PROUD OF.

GREEDY INTOLRENT ANIMALS!!!!!

CCNL & ALL the blood bath Admirers:

Now the World is fully aware of USA
1- Pentagon military organization "Chaos Theory" all over the world to support its Weapon Industry with more than 18000 fighter plans and more than 1800 war ships IN SERVICE which ALONE IS BIGGEST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD WEAPON INDUSTRIES & ARMS IN SERVICE COLLECTIVELY including Russia, China, India, Europe, NATO etc. And responsible of supplying illegal weapons all over the world FUELING ALL KIND OF BLOOD SHED ESPECIALLY IN CONTINENT OF AFRICA & MIDDLE EAST.
2- And USA White House civilian government "Conspiracy theory" to support its advances to control world resources.
Your and your Govt. credibility SUCKS.
Liars and conspirers!!!
Your pentagon driven Media conspires and All US dumb heads do is just follow the media slogans.
For example:
YOU and your stupid Bushy Bush call Iran Exe of Evil.
If some body with the slightest sense analysis. IRAN HAS NEVER SHOWN AGGRESSION WITH ANY BODY IN LAST 250 YEARS. It was puppet Saddam of Iraq who attacked Iran on his USA bushy master administration behalf.
IRAN HARDLY HAS ANY AIR FORCE & NAVY.
But USA mad administrative dogs talk about what if Iran will acquire nuck. They haven't yet.
This reason is so STUPID. The question is....
What about Pakistan already nuclear with ability to deliver.
What about Korea WHO THREATEN US RIGHT AT ITS FACE, what about Russia.
What about Mad Israel. Which is REAL THREAT WITH NUCKS to the whole Muslim world. If one look according to the MAD USA ADMINISTRATION PROSPECTIVE!!!
IT IS AGAIN PENTAGON + WHITE HOUSE driven Chaos and Conspiracy theory by Zionist controlled Media and stupid US masses again ONLY REPEATING media words like axe of evil, shia sunni, Iran Arabs bla bla bla without putting any burdon OR strain on there brains to once try to think REALISTICLY, same way like they believed in there Tyrant Rulers when there Rulers bluntly lied about EVERY THING to attack Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sunni and Shia are living peacefully side by side ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Even in more than 8 year Iran and Iraq war raged by USA Bushy Administration Iraqi puppet. There was NO UNREST in Iraqi civil fabric. NO ONE was attacking the establishment in the Iraq; No kind of CIVIL DESTRUCION was in progress, raping, killing, bomb blasting CIVILIANS BEORE THE US ANIMALS INVASION was in progress.
It is the same 300 YEARS OLD COLONIAL divide and ruthless rule technique PRACTICED BY the US animals, kill the Shia blame the Sunni, kill the Sunni blame the Shia FUEL THE FIRE AND KILL CIVILIANS INDESCRIMINATELY in the name of collateral damage.
THE WHOLE WORLD AND MUSLIMS ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF IT.

Kuwait war was again raged by USA ANIMAL Bushy Administration Iraqi puppet.

In Bosnia and Kosovo case, YOU ANIMALS kept your CRIMNAL SILENCE FOR 2-3 YEARS until YOUR butchers were done and satisfied with there Muslim slaughter. YOU ANIMALS couldn't bear the Muslim independent state on your European Continent. Saving them after you are done and satisfied is a big B.S.!!

Moody :
CCNL,

Your pentagon chaotheratic or should i say chaotic mind need some med's.

If millions and millions of pilgirms from all the sects and countries OF THE WORLD are not good enough proof for your KIND then dig a hole and jump.

Muslim sectarian minor differences are not LIKE christian BRUTAL AND VIOLENT ENEMOCITY FILLED HISTORY.

And don't try to paint EVERY political violence as muslims responsible.

"Where ALL the routes are in MAD PENTAGON CHAOS!!"

Moody, Moody, Moody,

What is it that you do not understand about the following????

Please back up your conclusions that Sunnis and Shiites love each other. The visit to Mecca is hardly proof since there is no physical way to tell a Sunni from a Shiite. If they would ID themselves, there would be bloodshed.

Again and again, please note the following (use a translator if you do not understand English): The Sunni-Shiite Blood 800 Year-Old Blood Feud- an update,

In Saudi Arabia:

From: cnn.com in 2007

"Al-Sistani was apparently referring to Abdullah bin Jabrain, a key member of Saudi Arabia's clerical establishment, who last month joined a chorus of other senior figures from the hardline Wahhabi school of Sunni Islam that regards Shiites as infidels.

Bin Jabrain described Shiites as "the most vicious enemy of Muslims."

In Palestine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22jihadists.html?ex=1311220800&en=477ff07cfa579449&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

An excerpt:

"The conflict in Lebanon has ignited a robust debate on jihadist Web sites over backing for Hezbollah, the Shiite group that set off the crisis when it seized two Israeli soldiers on July 12. The discussions reflect the widening divide between Shiite and Sunni Arabs in parts of the Middle East. Accusing Palestinians of being anti-Shiite, one Iraqi Shiite militant bitterly wrote, “It is better to concentrate one’s efforts on helping the Shiite kinfolk rather than the Sunnis.”

In Iraq:

The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite civil war- death toll, 4000 US troops and 80,625 – 88,048 Iraqi civilians

In Pakistan:

http://faroutliers.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/pakistans-transition-from-shia-to-sunni-leadership/

an excerpt:

"The coup of 1977 ended the Pakistani experiment with inclusive Muslim nationalism. Shia politicians, generals, and business leaders remained on the scene, but a steadily “Islamizing” (read “Sunnifying”) Pakistan came to look more and more like the Arab world, with Sunnis on top and Shias gradually pushed out. Pakistan in many regards captures the essence of the political challenge that the Shia have faced. The promise of the modern state has eluded them as secular nationalism has been colonized from within by Sunni hegemony."

Islam reeks of the stench of warmongering and terror. How can you stand the odor that permeates from the following acts of violence:?

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

A partial body count:

1a) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

1b) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

2) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, 4000 US troops and 80,625 – 88,048 Iraqi civilians iraqbodycount.org/

3) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

4) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

5) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

6) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

7) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

GARYD,

You need to correct your information one thing and another thing please don't mix muslim religion and muslim political history wrong doings. We muslims are fully aware of our history BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TRUTH. It might suit to the non-muslim point of view but doesn't works for muslims.

Shia's sect came into proper shap way after more than 200 to 300 years of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) demice. Based upon the political murder of his newphew and rest of the family 42 years after his demice.

Moody history says you are lying.

5 of the first seven rulers of the caliphate were murdered by other Muslims.

Muhammad had barely enough time to get toasty warm in hell before Ali was at war with the Sunni precursors over whether or not the Caliphate should or should not be hereditary. The situation has scarcely improved unless you consider an improvement to be adding several more sides to the internecine war. Islam has been at war with everyone in reach since Muhammad died.

CCNL,

Your pentagon chaotheratic or should i say chaotic mind need some med's.

If millions and millions of pilgirms from all the sects and countries are not good enough proof for your kind then dig a hole and jump.

Muslim sectarian minor differences are not LIKE christian BRUTAL AND VIOLENT ENEMOCITY FILLED HISTORY.

And don't try to paint EVERY political violence as muslims responsible.

Where ALL the routes are in MAD PENTAGON CHAOS!!

To true Christianity as opposed to the rest of the garbage out and about.

CCNL:

YOu keep on honking EVEN most of the time you don't know nothing.

Shia Sunni can't recognize each other as if they are hidding from each other as per your dumb understanding.

Well WE are not! We are living side by side.
And millions & millions of pilgirms FROM ALL SECTS AND COUNTRIES are not enough proof for your kind then go dig a hole and jump into it. Muslim sectarian minor differences are NOT brutal and violent like in YOUR christianity and ITS FILLED HISTORY.

I'm not a doctor other wise I would have prescribed you a medicine for your TWISTED HATEFUL PENTAGON CHAOTHRETIC MIND.

GaryD,

"God converts"????? And to what and why so many versions of what???

M F H sez:
When we remove God out of our culture, we have no more culture. Way to go Huck on your integrity and commitment to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Sorry, MFH, but our Constitution demands a higher righteousness than that offered by the gods, including that offered by the Xian version.

Our American culture is founded on the Rights of Man, with the power and authority of the government based upon the consent of the governed.

Looks like you're as anti-American as Hick.

Moody please explain to me why you think we should tolerate murderous theocrats regardless of the faith they follow.

If the only way in which you can convert people to your faith is at the point of a gun or sword your religion sucks.

And before you jump my case Concerned in my brand of Christianity which is scarcely unique to me God is the the one who converts not me or any other human.

MFH,

"Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ"?? Says who??

You might as well say "Pontius Pilate, our Great Necessary Accessory". Without old PP, there would have been no "ultimate sacrifice" i.e. your Christianity is based on the whims of a not-so-bright Roman Prefect as PP could have just as easily sent Jesus to the Roman salt mines.

When we remove God out of our culture, we have no more culture. Way to go Huck on your integrity and commitment to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Moody, Moody, Moody,

Please back up your conclusions that Sunnis and Shiites love each other. The visit to Mecca is hardly proof since there is no physical way to tell a Sunni from a Shiite. If they would ID themselves, there would be bloodshed.

Again and again, please note the following (use a translator if you do not understand English): The Sunni-Shiite Blood 800 Year-Old Blood Feud- an update,

In Saudi Arabia:

From: cnn.com in 2007

"Al-Sistani was apparently referring to Abdullah bin Jabrain, a key member of Saudi Arabia's clerical establishment, who last month joined a chorus of other senior figures from the hardline Wahhabi school of Sunni Islam that regards Shiites as infidels.

Bin Jabrain described Shiites as "the most vicious enemy of Muslims."

In Palestine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/middleeast/22jihadists.html?ex=1311220800&en=477ff07cfa579449&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

An excerpt:

"The conflict in Lebanon has ignited a robust debate on jihadist Web sites over backing for Hezbollah, the Shiite group that set off the crisis when it seized two Israeli soldiers on July 12. The discussions reflect the widening divide between Shiite and Sunni Arabs in parts of the Middle East. Accusing Palestinians of being anti-Shiite, one Iraqi Shiite militant bitterly wrote, “It is better to concentrate one’s efforts on helping the Shiite kinfolk rather than the Sunnis.”

In Iraq:

The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite civil war- death toll, 4000 US troops and 80,625 – 88,048 Iraqi civilians

In Pakistan:

http://faroutliers.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/pakistans-transition-from-shia-to-sunni-leadership/

an excerpt:

"The coup of 1977 ended the Pakistani experiment with inclusive Muslim nationalism. Shia politicians, generals, and business leaders remained on the scene, but a steadily “Islamizing” (read “Sunnifying”) Pakistan came to look more and more like the Arab world, with Sunnis on top and Shias gradually pushed out. Pakistan in many regards captures the essence of the political challenge that the Shia have faced. The promise of the modern state has eluded them as secular nationalism has been colonized from within by Sunni hegemony."

Islam reeks of the stench of warmongering and terror. How can you stand the odor that permeates from the following acts of violence:?

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

A partial body count:

1a) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

1b) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

2) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, 4000 US troops and 80,625 – 88,048 Iraqi civilians iraqbodycount.org/

3) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 peopl