Readers’ Responses to Our Question (212)

Today, demonic influence continues to promote human cruelty, as was foretold in the Bible: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, . . . self-assuming, haughty, . . . unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power.”—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
Bible prophecies reveal that our times are particularly critical because after God’s Kingdom by Christ Jesus was established in 1914, Satan and his demon hordes were ousted from the heavens. The Bible declares: “Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:5-9, 12.
On the other hand, God’s holy spirit is the most powerful force that exists, and it can overcome any demonic influence. It promotes love and the well-being of humans. To be filled with God’s spirit, everyone who wishes to please Jehovah must avoid conduct even bordering on cruelty. This requires transforming one’s personality to conform to the divine will. That will is for us to imitate God’s way to the extent possible. This involves viewing others as God does.(Ephesians 5:1, 2; Colossians 3:7-10.)
A study of God’s way of handling things reveals that Jehovah has never shown a lack of interest in others. He has never treated unjustly any human or for that matter any animal. (Deuteronomy 22:10; Psalm 36:7; Proverbs 12:10) He repudiates cruelty and all who practice it. (Proverbs 3:31, 32) The new personality that Jehovah requires Christians to cultivate helps them to consider others as superior and to respect them. (Philippians 2:2-4) That new Christian personality includes “the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering.” Not to be ignored is love, “for it is a perfect bond of union.” (Colossians 3:12-14) The world would be a different place if such qualities abounded.
Around the globe, millions who have studied the Bible have put cruelty behind them. It is possible to change.
In the near future, God’s Kingdom—a government now established in the heavens with a compassionate Ruler, Christ Jesus—will exercise full authority over the earth. It has already cleansed the heavens of Satan, the source of all cruelty, and his demons. Soon, God’s Kingdom will satisfy the needs of its peace-loving subjects on earth. (Psalm 37:10, 11; Isaiah 11:2-5) That is the only real solution to the world’s problems.
If you become a victim of cruelty while waiting for this Kingdom, responding in kind to cruelty would not help. That would only result in more of the same. The Bible invites us to trust in Jehovah, who in his own due time will “give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.” (Jeremiah 17:10) You may suffer because of being the victim of a cruel crime. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) Yet, God can undo the results of any cruelty, even death. According to his promise, those in his memory who have lost their lives to cruel acts will return to life.(John 5:28, 29).
Although the possibility of becoming a victim of cruelty still exists, we can find comfort in having a close relationship with God and firm faith in his promises.
God’s Word offers practical counsel about how to deal with cruelty. Consider how you can apply the following words of wisdom:
Proverbs 20:22
Ecclesiastes 5:8
Matthew 5:5
Matthew 7:12
Romans 12:17-19
1 Peter 2:21-23

-Satan (Personal name : Iblees) is real.
-He (they are) is from the race of Gin’s or Ginni. And humans who obey them also called Satans.
-Made of fire, like us humans are made of water and earth.
-Was made the leader of the Angels for his obedience and worship.
-Was punished for his DISOBEDIENCE & AROGANCE. And granted life until Judgment Day.

(Reminder to Christians who disobey and break one law will not enter the kingdom of Heavens; accept only by the Mercy of Most Merciful and Forgiving God (Allah in Arabic). But with all your sins “through out your life you have to PROVE CONTINUOUSLY” that you are inclined towards OBEYING & REPENTING TO GOD for every sin you do due to obeying Satan becoming under his trap). As human nature is you keep practicing what you want to master sport, business, EVIL / DISOBEDIENCE OR VIRTUE / GOOD / OBEDIENCE OF GOOD DEEDS.

***-The HEAVIEST ON SATAN IS PROSTRATION.***
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE REFUSED TO DO.
AND THAT IS WHAT EVERY APOSTLE (from Adam to Noah to Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (p.b.u.t.)) OF GOD HAS DONE.
***BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE MOST FAVOURITE WORSHIP OF GOD OF ALL CREATIONS (ALLAH IN ARABIC) IS. ***

NOW THE SECRET:

On every sin repent through PROSTRATION other than compulsory prostrations in a day and ***that will hurt the Satan so badly*** that he will give up making you do the same sin may be other but not the same. But you need to prostrate in front of THE ONLY GOD. BECAUSE THE **ONLY UNFORGIVEABLE SIN** IS “SHIRK” CALLING / WORSHIPING SOMEBODY ELSE AS GOD WHICH IS USELESS BECAUSE YOU ARE PROSTRATING TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND NOT THE “ONE” THE “CREATOR” THE “SUSTAINER” THE “MOST MERCIFUL” THE “MOST FORGIVING” THE “ONLY” WORTHY OF PROSTRATION.

Now for your information:
-Humans can see Gins or Jinni’s (not everyone). Question is HOW?
-Jinni’s are also believers and non-believers (partners of satan like us humans).
-Gin’s have different abilities than human, e.g., they can reach from one place to another in less than a blink of an eye therefore you can say THEY CAN SEE AND KNOW THINGS that are not possible for humans. They have long life (not every one); therefore some are even from the age of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), Jesus (A.S.) and even before like satan himself one of the oldest.

- Some of you must have experienced the humans whose bodies are OCCUPIED by some external force. You call it exorcism. Yes this is what non believing satan jinn’s some times also do which is VERY VISUAL other than there regular daily mischief’s with humans like interfering in your thoughts and decisions effecting your daily life making it sinful and making you humans one of the satans.

- Now, I also have some experience of persons with exorcism CURRED by the “Mufti” level of Higher degree in Islam. The one who can give “Fatwah” against any act whether it is acceptable or not in Islam.

MY EXPERIECNE:

I have been told that there are many different ways of experiencing Gin’s. But the experience I had so many times “at different places with that Mufti” is as follows:

At different occasions and different house I have the chance to accompany the Mufti due to one of my friend, at the place of PRESENCE an external force affecting a human body.

The Mufti called “An Innocent Child sinless” age 5 to 8 mostly of the house, if not then asked to bring any of the relatives. Family members and we all are present there at different occasions. ( Mufti told that a sinless adult if not then a child is needed to help, because only they can see certain things other than him).

The sinless person sits in front of the Mufti along with the affected one, if possible otherwise not necessary. Then the Mufti asked the sinless person to close his/her eyes and do not open until he tell them. Then at every different occasion he read some verses and blows at the face of the sinless person sitting in his front. After that every time Mufti started asking questions to that sinless person:
-With closed eyes do you see someone else than already present in the room.
Reply: Yes, Few people came and sat behind Mufti, some are weird looking different then humans. But every time child never gets afraid even after.
- Mufti always ask there names and send them greetings. (Mufti told us they are his friends and helpers – Gin’s).
- Then Mufti proceeds ask them, if it is possible for them to control and correct or diminish the other presence. The Mufti’s friends – Gin’s were also pious practicing believers, who checked around and on every occasion confirm back through the sinless innocent child that they can do it.
- Then Mufti and his friends finish there job – remove the presence either capture them or make them agree to live immediately etc.
- Then the Mufti again read some verses and blows at the face of the sin less person and asked him/her to open there eyes.

Results are every time immediate and positive.

Thanks boys88558274422f7d7806c2f4db5a3e73a0

Wake up Deb & Dave from your ignorance
And CCNL get some help and treatment for your Insanity!!

Why Muslims killing Muslims. The answer is in very recent example:
Before American Invasion, Sunni Iraqi Tyrant leadership to please its master USA was in war with Shia Iran for more than 8 years. But there was no sign of civil war between Sunni and Shia Iraqi's, further more any kind of security forces killing and public bomb blasts on such every day mass scale level, AND THERE CIVIL FABRIC WAS INTACT.. It is USA who plotted TWIN TOWERS and by ALL means fueling the Muslim riots among the Muslims AND KEEPING THE FUEL!!!!!!

Exactly the way colonist did in there 300 year era. IT IS NOT SOME THING NEW……..BLOODY DIVID AND RULE CRUELITY WITH RUTHLESNESS.

And same is the British and French last 300 year colonial history on the Muslim lands. Where only Muslims were crushed and oppressed barbarically. It is all very open on record available every where. All you need to just search Google.

And though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But after almost 60 years long BARBARISM OF ISRAEL AND SILENCE OF HYPOCRATE WEST, the hopeless tormented Muslims (now in many different regions starting from Palestine) are committing that forbidden sin, giving up hope in extreme frustration from there present state of destroyed life by every means. THANKS TO THE BEASTS BECOME MONSTORS………..

dave- i really dont know what insular area of america youre hiding in-

i know of no americans who were very surprised at 911

but more than half of americans at this point dont believe muslims were responsible (dont blame me, blame pew polling)

i remember when the federal building in oklahoma was blown up-
all day and the next, there was a nebulous "arabic group" repsonsible.

for 10 years prior the media had been creating a new enemy- i am certainly not the only one who noticed this-
i remember when russians were always the villain-

before i became muslim, i noticed the media turn

it doesnt take a rhodes scholar to see these things as theyre not very subtle

think for yourself

"M-

Two questions at November 21, 2007 8:56 PM .

-Are you saying you have never heard of greater and lesser jihad?

-Please give current examples of Hirabah. Are there any?

I am still busy with a long happy holiday weekend."

One last post. Any way: I've learned something about strident Muslim women from this exchange..

WITH CORRECTION........

Deb & Dave,

Since you forget history and prefer not to discuss your religion (???) let me enlighten you:

- When Prophet (PBUH) finally entered Mecca with his army, not a single person was killed. And he gave amnesty to every one INCLUDING HIS WORST ENEMIES, people who for 13 years keep on killing his family, his disciples, newly reverted Muslims, tried to kill him so many time, who tortured and butchered Muslims through out his life, with the trail of all previous wars raged by them upon Muslims.

- In 13-14 century, Christian crusaders took Jerusalem by force and ruled over it with IRON FIST for 100 years, not allowing Muslims to practice there religion and extreme oppression. But when Sultan Salahudin Ayubi took it back, he gave unconditional pardon to all the Christians and Jews, following his Prophets (PBUH) foot steps. And since then all religions were practiced there with out any oppression until ISRAEL came into being.

-Israelis (Jews) forgot that when the European Crusaders thrown them out of ALL Europe. The only place they got amnesty, peace and lived freely for more than 800 years in Spain with Muslims under there rule. Finally, after that they were thrown out once again into Palestine.

-And you Hindus forgot that you are ruled by your own race converted Muslims for more than 1000 years. And as per your Indian records, audio / visual documentaries and movies, which until now tells and applaud about the justice of Muslim rules and rulers. IF we would have to convert you Hindus by sword, there was no Hindu left after 1000 year of Muslim rule. Look around the comparative world history of Crusaders, colonists and other nations, filled with forceful conversions and slavery, about which Christian Pop publicly apologized about 4 years back.

- I don't want to go into details why Indian Muslims ruled instead of Hindus there. All the reason hidden deep with in your religious discrimination to the very extend of killing each other, burning women alive, as per sacred religion still eating cow dung and pee and so many other ridiculous hate mongering practices...so and so...even today India is the only country where women are less in number, every day more than 3000 female fetuses are aborted there. And continuous genocides of different religious races including there own are still going on under Hindu rule.

Note: Muslims in reality never wanted to divide India. You can read my post in this regard in “Islam and Violence" dated Nov 04, 2007 with the topics.
- India / Pakistan History before Partition
- Pakistan history Politics after Partition.

And why Muslims killing Muslims. The answer is in very recent example:
Before American Invasion, Sunni Iraqi Tyrant leadership to please its master USA was in war with Shia Iran for more than 8 years. But there was no sign of civil war between Sunni and Shia Iraqi's, further more any kind of security forces killing and public bomb blasts on such every day mass scale level. It is USA who plotted TWIN TOWERS and by every means fueling the Muslim riots among the Muslims AND KEEPING THE FUEL!!!!!! EXACTLY THE WAY COLONIST DID IN THERE 300 YEAR ERA. IT IS NOT SOME THING NEW……..BLOODY DIVID AND RULE CRUELITY WITH RUTHLESNESS.
AND SAME IS THE BRITISH AND FRENCH LAST 300 YEAR COLONIAL HISTORY ON THE MUSLIM LANDS. WHERE ONLY MUSLIMS WERE CRUSHED AND OPPRESSED BARBARICLY. IT IS ALL VERY OPEN ON RECORD AVAILABLE EVERY WHERE. ALL YOU NEED TO JUST SEARCH GOOGLE.

And though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But after almost 60 years long BARBARISM OF ISRAEL AND SILENCE OF HYPOCRATE WEST, the hopeless tormented Muslims (now in many different regions starting from Palestine) are committing that forbidden sin, giving up hope in extreme frustration from there present state of destroyed life by every means. THANKS TO THE BEASTS BECOME MONSTORS………..

No wonder why most of the Bible sites and URL are so mysterious and not dealing directly with its contents, instead giving gingle bell stories of good life from her and there!!!!

I always wondered why every passing day west is going shamelessly promiscuous, vulgar, obscene, abhorrent to morality or virtue and repulsive by reason of crass disregard of moral or ethical principles. OTHER THEN RUTHLESSLY VIOLENT AND BARBARIC TO OTHER RELIGIONS AND RACES!!

-Why kids are molested in there dark churches and convents by there priests.TURNED INTO MILLIONS OF GAYS OR ETHEIST, I GUESS BETTER CHOICE FOR THEM!
- Why children are molested by there parents (mostly adopted not blood related) in your society?
- Why every second women is raped in your society? Alone in USA more than 2730 women raped every single day.
-Why teenage girls pregnancy is out of control in your society?
-Why kids are not properly raised by there parents and why old parents are not been taken care by there kids in your society?
-Why your society is so violent and crime rate is so high in its civic fabric?

FIRST I WAS SHOCKED, IMMEDIATELY AFTER READING BIBLE REALIZING THAT ALL MY EYES GET WET, I PRAYED AND THANKED GOD AND ASKED FOR HIS MERCY AND FORGIVENESS, THAT HE SAVED ME FROM THE CURSE OF TWISTED LIES…….AS ALL THE ACTUAL VIRTOUS VERSIONS, ALL THAT WE MUSLIMS KNOW AND MOSTLY NOT AWARE OF THE WAY VULGORLY THOSE HISTORY STORIES ARE TWISTED IN THE BIBLE.

I READ YOUR BIBLE AND CAME TO REALIZE WHAT KIND OF TWISTED VOLGUR ATRIBUTES YOU HAVE ATTACHED TO YOUR PROPHETS AND TO YOUR LORD GOD. YOU HAVEN’T LEFT ANYONE, FATHER TO DAUGHER, SON TO MOTHER, GOD TO SARAH, THERE BASTERED OFF SPRINGS. HAVE YOU LEFT ANYBODY THERE?????
AND THAT IS THE CURSE IN REALITY WHICH IS REFLECTING UPON YOUR WHOLE SOCIETY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!!!!!

VERY FEW EXAMPLE OUT OF THE BIBLE……..

PROPHET LOT AND HIS DAUGHTERS (YOUR BIBLE TELLS SLEEPING TOGATHER AND HAVING CHILDREN)

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father

PROPHETS SON SLEEPING WITH HER MOTHER YOUR BIBLE TELLS-GENESIS 35

21 Israel moved on again and pitched his tent beyond Migdal Eder. 22 While Israel was living in that region, Reuben went in and slept with his father's concubine Bilhah, and Israel heard of it.
Jacob had twelve sons:

PROPHET ABRAHAM MARRIED HER REAL SISTER ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE

11 Abraham replied, "I said to myself, 'There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.' 12 Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.

THE BIRTH OF ISAAC (LORD DID FOR SARAH, WHAT HAD PROMISED) ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE IT WAS NOT ABRAHAM
Genesis 21 (New International Version)

1 Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised. 2 Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him.

Now I clearly understand that why our quran tells that bible or any other devine book is not in its orignal form and are all tanted by the evil doers. And that why we do not believe or follow them, though we do believe in all devine books including bible revealed in their original form but do not exist. AND WE ALSO BELIEVE IN ALL THE PROPHETS INCLUDING JESUS CHRIST AND OUR QURAN REJECTS ALL KIND OF VOLGARITIES ATTRIBUTED TO THEM OR TO OUR GOD. AND EXPLAINS AND TELL STORIES ABOUT HOW VIRTUOUS THEY WERE IN REALITY!!!!!

Deb & Dave,

Since you forget history and prefer not to discuss your religion (???) let me enlighten you:

- When Prophet(PBUH) finally entered Mecca with the his army, not a single person was killed. And he gave amnesty to every one including people who for 13 years keep on killing his family, his diciples, newly reverted muslims, tried to kill him so many time, who tourtered and butchered muslims through out his life, with the trail of all previous wars raged by them upon muslims.

- In 13-14 centurey, christian crusaders took Jerusalum by force and ruled over it with IRON FIST for 100 years, not allowing muslims to practice there religion and extreme oppression. But when Sultan Salahudin Ayubi took it back, he gave unconditional pardon to all the Christians and Jews, following his Prophets(PBUH) foot steps. And since then all religions were practiced there with out any operation until ISRAEL came into Being.

-Israelis (Jews) forgot that when the Europion Crusadors throwed them out of from ALL Europe. The only place they got emnsty, peace and lived freely for more than 800 years in Spain with Muslims under there rule. Finally after that they are thrown out once again into Palestine.

-And you Hindus forgot that you are ruled by your own race converted Muslims for more than 1000 years. And as per your Indian records, audio / visual documentories and movies, which until now tells and aploud about the justice of Muslim rules. IF we would have to convert you Hindus by sword, there was no Hindu left after 1000 year of muslim rule. Look around the comparative world history of Crusadors, colonists or other nations.

- I don't want to go into details way Indian muslims ruled instead of hindus there. All the reason hidden deep with in your religious discrimination to the very extend of killing each other, burning women alive, as per sacred religion still eating cow dung and pee and so many other rediclous hate mongering practices...so and so...even today India is the only country where women are less in number, every day more than 3000 female fetuses are aborted there. And continuous genocides of different religious races including there own are still going on under Hindu rule.

Note : Muslims in reality never wanted to divide India. You can read my post in this regard in " Islam and Voilence" dated Nov 04, 2007 with the topics.
- India / Pakistan History before Partition
- Pakistan history Politics after Partition.

And why muslims killing muslims. The answer is in very recent example:
Before American Invasion, Sunni Iraqi Tyrant leadership to please its master USA was in war with Shia Iran for more than 8 years. But there was no sign of civil war between sunni and shia Iraqi's, further more any kind of security forces killing and public bomb blasts on such every day mass scale level. It is USA who ploted TWIN TOWERS and fueling the muslim riots among the muslims AND KEEPING THE FUEL!!!!!!
AND SAME IS THE BRITISH 300 YEAR COLONIAL HISTORY ON THE MUSLIM LANDS. WHERE THEY ARE CRUSED AND OPPRESSED BARBARICLY. IT IS ALL VERY OPEN ON RECORD AVAILABLE EVERY WHERE. ALL YOU NEED TO DO,JUST SEARCH GOOGLE.

And though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But after almost 60 years long BARBARISM OF ISRAEL AND SILENCE OF HYPOCRATE WEST, the hopeless tormented muslims are committing that forbiden sin, giving up hope from there present state of destroyed life by every means.

M-

Two questions at November 21, 2007 8:56 PM .

-Are you saying you have never heard of greater and lesser jihad?

-Please give current examples of Hirabah. Are there any?

I am still busy with a long happy holiday weekend.

Victoria does not seem to be a spiritual person. Not sensitive. Not kind. She's not a good example of Muslim women. Read her posts- she sounds like a b-itch in a hijab.

Walaikum Assalam Victoria!

I had fun...too much food...but a lot of fun! Hope your's was even better!!

Anonymous has not really addressed the two posts that I have listed with quotes and excerpts from the Qur'an. I answered his/her questions but have not received much of a response from him/her.

However, that is fine. Ask me whatever it is that you need to.

asalaamu alaikum mischka- hope your holiday was a festive happening-

really good answer by the way- as you see, it soared high above anonymous' head- so much so that apparnetly he (or she) didnt even seem to notice or recognize it-

lib- i see you still do not overtly or aggressively address any posts to the men here-

you claim you do so with panelists- but you know they never answer back so thats pretty safe-

i still say its creepy the way you only address women in such a bellicose manner-

i noticed the muslim man moody posted, and you were silent, but an hour later when mischka (a woman) posted- you jumped all over her-

i skip over your redundant cut and pastes so if theyre addressed to me- im not seeing it-

youre like the white noise of these boards
always in the background,
easily tuned out

Mischka, Mischka, Mischka,

Such "non-dainty" language from the Islamic upper class!! Your "pwtfft" is cannnot be happy with such talk as you shame her purity of heart!!!!

It is obvious that you are more than ready for the Five Steps to Deprogram Islam!!!

As an added note which you apparently missed:

Victoria, The Jihadist and Mischka,

No one is attacking or picking on you because of your gender. If you check, the three of you make substantially more comments than male Muslims so you of course get more questions and commentary.

Actually your former sister Muslim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali still holds the record for comments and questions basically because of her book, Infidel. The summary of said book explains why:

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

ref: Washington Post book review.

We trust that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of all time heroines and Infidel is one of your favorite books!!!

Jesus Christ !

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/11/13/17051231.php

Sorry M-

I'm busy giving thanks with my family and friends.

Are you saying you have never heard of greater and lesser jihad? That is hard to believe.

Please give current examples of Hirabah. Are there any?

Well- best wishes. I'll try to get back later..

So,

Thats it?

Sorry - that post below is Mischka...

CCNL - You are looking desperate now. Go back to your dirty little rat hole please.

Ananymouse - One more irrelevant post. Having nothing to do with the topic - proving yet again how wierd you are.

Anonymous -

"You've referenced the greater Jihad. Please explain the lesser Jihad."

What do you mean? Jihad is an inner struggle to become a better Muslim or to defend yourself against persecution. Thats it.

"Please give a definition for- hirabah."

Hirabah is an Arabic word for "unlawful warfare". The precise meaning according to Professor Khalid Abou el Fadl "killing by stealth and targeting a defenseless victim or intended to cause terror in society". This is the Islamic definition of terrorism. It is the opposite of Jihad.

"The Message of your Lord is perfected in truth and justice" (6:115)

In relation with Jihad:

Hirabah has been suggested as a better description of Islam terrorism than the often-used 'Jihad'. The argument is that Jihad means a holy struggle for justice. To a Muslim, Jihad can not by definition be a bad thing, and a Jihadi cannot be anything but a hero. The result is that Westerners, by calling terrorist 'jihadis', are calling them 'heroes', and either displaying their ignorance of Islam or reinforcing the idea that terrorism is a legitimate holy struggle.

"In so many countries Muslim against Muslim violence is raging. Why?"

Politics. Many of the Muslim countries you see that are waging war within each other are also third world countries who dont have stable governments as of yet. In these cases, whoever is the loudest, most influential, richest, etc. wins. Usually, these leaders are not the best choices for the country. However, what are they to do? Who else will they turn to? Their options are limited.

"Islam does not limit me from ANYTHING"
"Would you have the same freedom in the countries now under Islamic law?"

I have lived in Pakistan for a total of 4 years as a child. I was born here and my parents sent me to Pak. for religious instruction. I lived there with my grandparents. I never had problems there. My aunts do not wear hijab and they live there. Aside from the extremely social culture, temperature, language and some technological disadvantages...my life there was not difficult. I had fun.

"Are you unlimited because you are living in a free society or because you are a Muslim woman?"

I find myself unlimited because I am a Muslim woman. Again, the rules of my life are set according to Islam first and then anyone else. My family has always practiced Islam before anything else.

"Do all other American women live in freedom?"

Freedom means different things to different people. I dont think a lot of American women live in freedom. The problems I have with my husband (if and when we do have them) are so different from those American women have. By American I mean Caucasian I guess or African American, etc. I consider myself an American Muslim. There is a lack of respect I see in American marriages for women.

"Do all other Muslim women live in freedom?"

This is an interesting question. Islam empowers women to do as they choose. All my life I have been taught that the sky is the limit for me. Just because I am a girl does not mean I am any less then a man. If a woman chooses to grab the reins of her life, Islam allows her to to do that. Its almost like the physically abused women you see even in America. The reasons why women stay with abusive men are very unclear. I cannot say that all other Muslim women live in freedom. However, I can say that Islam definitely allows them all the freedom they could want or desire.

Moody and all Certified Muslims of Analogous Thinking,

Danke Schoen!!!

You now qualify for the Five Step Deprogramming for Removing the Brainwash of Islam as shown below:

"1. Belief in Allah"

"aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist".

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and we guarantee a complete recovery from your orthodox Islamic ways!!!!

CCNL:

I verify your 5 point question, that yes we as muslims believe in these point with slit difference of understanding. And with clear understanding and not as just blind faith.

To put it in simple way, if after careful study of Quran, we find and understand that, almost more than 80% of it is verifying and 100% correctly telling about future and universe and its life forms so far. And giving correct information which is evaluated throw all classical ways of intelligence,e.g., scientific or intellectual etc.
Then our intelligent nature tells us that rest of 20% or less is also correct, may be beyond our limited level of comprehension.

It is not contradicting any natural fact or logic unlike other devine books in present form at present so called advance age.

For further explanation you can ref. to my Posts:
- Proof of God (Scientific Evidence)
And other posts and sites I refered in below posts.

Interpretation, of the varieties of religious scriptures, being to one's pleasing, influenced by the period of history, which dependent on the various stages in human development, material as spiritual, yet, dispite faith's, belief's, idea's, all which differ, humanity having one true link, an common union, that unite all, LOVE. A bond never to be broken, one can lose land, life, home, wealth, robbed of justice, denied freedom. Yet, a beacon of light, ever, our LOVE... .. .

Calling yet again:

To all certified Muslims out there, please read the following supposed tenets/requirements of Islam and verify them for us. Thank you!! We thought they were basic requirements for all Muslims to believe. Maybe Not!!!

1. Belief in Allah??

2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence??

3. To believe in the existence of angels??

4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore??

5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone??

ref: The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi.

And Victoria, The Jihadist and Mischka, no one is attacking or picking on you because of your gender. If you check, the three of you make substantially more comments than male Muslims so you of course get more questions and commentary. Actually your former sister Muslim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali still holds the record for comments and questions basically because of her book, Infidel. The summary of said book explains why:

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

ref: Washington Post book review.

And I trust you admire and thank this courageous woman!!!!

Anonymous:

You are asking good questions to M, which seems difficult to answer. But believe me SATISFACTORY answers are there. I hope M will manage to do so. If still you are not satisfied you can go to

WWW.Islamtomorrow.com ( Mr. Yousaf Astiss)
Or search Peace TV (Dr. Zakir Naik links)
Or Search for Mr. Dedaad Islamic dahva links
Or Search for Mr. Abdul Rahim Green from U.K. link

And ask them any question that bothers you regarding Islam.
YOU WILL GET AN ANSWERE UNLIKE OTHERS!!!

CCNL :

Though in annoying way but you are asking questions.

I have explanned you muslim position about women with on record statistics of world wide Muslim male relations compare to western situation with the hint of your unjust laws and there social impact, comparing with muslim laws and practice and the positive concept behind them. As you can refer below my 3 mails regarding it.

For the rest of your questions in nutshell read my posts in "Science and Religion" in which I try to address again Muslim point of view.

My Posts subjects are:

-Proof of Godd (Scientific Evidence)
-Jesus (A.S) In Islam (according to Muslims)
- Holy Bible (In the light of Quran)

In above posts I humbly tried to evaluate scriptures logically keeping the scientific approach.

Remember in your more than 73 Catholic versions of Bible and in all other Bible versions. It is no where written that Jesus (PBUH) every said, worship me Or I am God.

M-

Thanks for your response.

"These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims but who violate all the essential principles of Islam."

You've referenced the greater Jihad. Please explain the lesser Jihad.

Please give a definition for- hirabah.

In so many countries Muslim against Muslim violence is raging. Why?

"Islam does not limit me from ANYTHING"

Would you have the same freedom in the countries now under Islamic law?

Are you unlimited because you are living in a free society or because you are a Muslim woman?

Do all other American women live in freedom?

Do all other Muslim women live in freedom?

To all certified Muslims out there, please read the following supposedly tenets/requirements of Islam and verify them for us. Thank you!! We thought they were basic requirements for all Muslims to believe. Maybe Not!!!

1. Belief in Allah??

2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence??

3. To believe in the existence of angels??

4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore??

5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone??

ref: The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi.

And Victoria, The Jihadist and Mischka, no one is attacking or picking on you because of your gender. If you check, the three of you make substantially more comments than male Muslims so you of course get more questions and commentary. Actually your former sister Muslim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali still holds the record for comments and questions basically because of her book, Infidel. The summary of said book explains why:

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

And I trust you admire and thank this courageous woman!!!!

Anonymous -

"Please share a few verses from the Koran that support what you've shared"

"...attacking a religious group (fitnah) is more severe then plain attack" (2:190-193)

"There should be no coercion in religion" (Qur'an 22:40)

"And O Muhammad strive (Jahadu) hard with the Qur'an, the great striving" (25:52)
In connection with this verse, Maulana Wahiuddin states "The Qur'an is a book, not a gun or a sword". Striving with the Qur'an means engaging in a peaceful, sprititual, moral struggle to overcome one's individual instincts and engage in a peaceful dialogue, discussion and discourse in relation to the transformation of mind and spirit. Jihad is an inner struggle.

Jihad is a core concept in the Qur'an derived from the word Jahadu meaning 'to strive' or 'make an effort' or 'struggle'. The highest form of Jihad means overcoming one's shortcomings or weaknesses.

No act of aggression is permissible. "And fight in the way of God who attack YOU, but transgress NOT, God loves not the aggressor" (2:190)

If Muslims are the aggressors - "And if two among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other then against the one that oppresses..." (49:9)

"reconciliation is best" (2:128)

Military action can under no circumstances be invoked on the grounds of enmity. "Good and evil are not alike. Requite evil with what is best. Then truly he between whom and you there was enmity, will become your dearest friend" (41:34)

"For tumult and oppression is worse then slaughter" (2:191)

"And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people" (5:32)

This is in regards to the struggle within Muslims "And hold fast all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves" (3:103)

Finally - "Peace! a world (of salutation) from the Lord Most Merciful!" (36:58)

Belligerent terminology such as "Islamic terrorism" and now "Islamic fascism" coined by politicians and popularised by media show nothing but contempt for Islam as a religion. These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims but who violate all the essential principles of Islam. Quoting texts randomly and out of context is not merely inaccurate but counter-productive.

(More upon request)

All religions have a share in texts that address aggression.

"Don't you think that is oppressive and demeaning?"

Punishing a woman is demeaning - of course! However, Islam does not call for that.

"Do you think that forcing every woman to "cover her hair" (not drive, etc) is oppressive and demeaning"

She should not be forced to cover her hair OR not be allowed to drive. I agree that the above is oppressive and demeaning. Again, Islam does not limit me from ANYTHING. Even if I live in America, the rules of my life are set according to Islam. I may have a Happy Meal - but it better not have any pork in it. I may get all dolled up for a dinner date with my husband - but I wont wear a mini skirt or a halter top. I may have my entire family over for a reunion in my home - but I will keep my head covered in the presence of men who are not related to me by blood.

Islam is my guide and it gives me everything I need.

Thanks again. Please share a few verses from the Koran that support what you've shared.

Also, Please answer the two questions you missed a few posts back-

"No choice. You have to or you are punished. Don't you think that is oppressive and demeaning?"

Do you think that forcing every woman to "cover her hair" (not drive, etc) is oppressive and demeaning?

You have seen the video. Are these women wrong to seek freedom of choice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INEnNjgRa1U

"How does your Koran tell you to respond?"

Qur'an is the same way - all my life I have been told never to respond with violence. I have read it a hundreds of times...with translation in English.

"What advice do you receive from your Islamic leaders?"

My Islamic leaders tell me to educate myself in every way possible and approach each situation with knowledge and patience rather then violence. I have never been instructed by my teachers to be aggressive or intolerant of others.

I hope this answers your questions.

"How does your Koran tell you to respond?"

Qur'an is the same way - all my life I have been told never to respond with violence. I have read it a hundreds of times...with translation in English.

"What advice do you receive from your Islamic leaders?"

My Islamic leaders tell me to educate myself in every way possible and approach each situation with knowledge and patience rather then violence. I have never been instructed by my teachers to be aggressive or intolerant of others.

I hope this answers your questions.

Three atheists walk into a forest and soon find a pair of tracks. The first atheist says, 'I think they're deer tracks.' The second atheist says, 'No, I think they're bear tracks.' The third atheist says, 'You're both wrong! They're bird tracks!' Then they got hit by a train.

Thanks for answering one of my questions. Please answer the other two.

"In such cases, would you like us to smile and say "Thank You"?"

What would Mohammed do?

My Prophet (pbuh) would definitely not fight back. He would try to talk to people and see if he could reason with them.

How does your Koran tell you to respond?

What advice do you receive from your Islamic leaders?

CCNL - I just noticed something

You ACTUALLY tried in your own little way to address the men this time! That must have been scary. Now, when they answer you...try to reply to them as well. Dont be scared now...its going to be alright.

We are proud of you.

CCNL -

You are being ignored now...go away.

Anonymous - My Prophet (pbuh) would definitely not fight back. He would try to talk to people and see if he could reason with them.

Here is the thing: I have not said that I hate Christians, Hindus, Jews, etc. I have friends from all sorts of religions and to hate their faith is to hate a part of them. I dont insult their holy books, their Prophets or their teachings. Furthermore, I dont want to insult or hate them.

I ask them from time to time the significance of certain things they dont mind explaining to me...like Ash Wednesday for instance. I had no idea why people were walking around with black marks on their foreheads until I asked my friend and he explained it.

Here, you have attack over attack and it doesnt stop. Like my friend Victoria said on a different post: you have an opportunity here to ask Muslims first hand any questions you may have and gain knowledge. Why waste a chance like this by arguing and creating even more misunderstandings? How many times will you get to do this?

You know what would be even better? If we could come to some sort of understanding or tolerance between us as a result of these blogs.

"In such cases, would you like us to smile and say "Thank You"?"

What would Mohammed do? How does your Koran tell you to respond? What advice do you receive from your Islamic leaders?

Please share.

All you certified male Muslims out there, please read the following supposedly tenets/requirements of Islam and verify them for us. Thank you!!

1. Belief in Allah??

2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence??

3. To believe in the existence of angels??

4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore??

5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone??

ref: The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi.

All you certified male Muslims out there, please read the following supposedly tenets/requirements of Islam and verify them for us. Thank you!!

1. Belief in Allah??

2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence??

3. To believe in the existence of angels??

4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore??

5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone??

ref: The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi.

I read:

"If you criticise Islam- "I'm offended" "that's racist" If you give examples "that's not Islam" "what about America's faults". If you ask a pointed question- "I don't understand what your saying" "Islam is perfect" "Islam means peace" Then they lauch into spewing insults and hatred."

This is interesting...have you read these blogs? How many people do you see here that are merely curious or looking for answers? Not one. You see only people who are venting their hatred for Muslims.

In such cases, would you like us to smile and say "Thank You"?

I really dont think so.

How could any person ask this question and still call himself Christian? Did Jesus say to what degree our forgiveness should be tempered? Did he say love your enemies, but only if they're not too crazy? And how do we even judge who is our enemy to begin with?

"I say to you remove the speck from your own eye before you try to remove the rod from your brother's eye"

A man kills your family in front of you. Years later he is caught and brought to trial. At the hearing he pleads guilty and shows no remorse for his actions. He even looks you in the eye and says his only regret was leaving you alive. Does this man deserve your forgiveness? Depends on what you mean by forgiveness. Should his actions be excused? By no means. Of course not. But should you hold hate for him in your heart? No. Never. His fate is in the hands of others now. But ultimately his fate is in the hands of GOD. His soul is no longer your concern and you should not burden yourself with it.

As hard as that might be to accept it is the only way. Holding hate in your heart can be dangerous. Whether you perceive it as just or not. Hate pollutes and sickens the body worse than any drug.

"it is not what enters a man that corrupts him but what comes out"

If you have faith then you know this man will serve his penance in this life and the next. But eventually even GOD will forgive him. So too must you. you're no better than GOD are you?

anonymous:

most atheists believe all religions inspire mental conditions of varying degrees.

Ananymouse :

"mischka....Let those free of sin cast the first stone..." I guess that wouldnt be you.

Thats it...until you say something relevant...I am not going to address you.

Wanderer-

"Blood for blood"

That's not what I hear in my neighborhood since 911. I hear- "Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam".

Anany-

All voices welcome and please enjoy speaking freely (while you can). Ignore the shreiking sharia hags. Their posts are baseless. I've only read here for a few days and they seem to hit the "Islam in America" talking points. If you criticise Islam- "I'm offended" "that's racist" If you give examples "that's not Islam" "what about America's faults". If you ask a pointed question- "I don't understand what your saying" "Islam is perfect" "Islam means peace" Then they lauch into spewing insults and hatred.

Nothing new. Boring repetition. I'm beginning to wonder- Is Islam a mental condition? Not all by any means, but so many Muslims seem to have lost touch with reality.

I find it strange that George W. Bush, who declared Jesus Christ to be his favorite philosopher, takes the attitude that we must annihilate our enemies and any and all who happen to be in the nearby vicinity, as well as any who might, perhaps someday, even think about taking a position that could be construed (by GWB) as being "enemy". But perhaps his interpretation of Jesus's ideas and teachings reads like a treatise from Project for a New American Century.

mischka....Let those free of sin cast the first stone... .. .

AnanyMOUSE!

"mischke....some husbands hug the dog and beat the wife..."

First of all - its MischkA - not MischkE.

Second - ANOTHER irrelevant post!

Stop your nonsense!

mischke....some husbands hug the dog and beat the wife... .. .

Ananymous -

Please tell me how on earth your post relates to what Lepidopteryx was trying to convey in her post.

You bypassed an entire paragraph of what she said and responded to a single word : pets ?

You make no sense ! ! ! !

LEPIDOPTERYX.....I am not an person whom favours animals in the home, of any description. They having there place in the wild, yet there being many people having great affection for animal., Whom love as care for, as attending there needs. It unfortunate the other side to that coin, be those whom be the cause of animals put through, as go through great suffering. Such wrong having brought my own view that animals not being in the home.If one wishes to adopt an child one must prove one's worth to the courts.As be to own or care for an animal one should also have to prove one's worth, before such allowed. Of course exceptions to animals in the home, as example guide dogs for the blind. Truth, being there an need being for far stricter laws which enforces, protection of animals. With regard to an earlier point on spiritual matters, I was reminded of an event where JESUS was surrounded by throngs of people.Yet he silenced the crowd saying, whom touched me, an elderly woman, then replied, I beleived in touching your garment, I would be saved, with such, Jesus, wept... ..

I strongly believe that forgiveness requires a certain level of forgetfulness; i.e., you must be prepared to forget the injury done to you, in order to truly forgive the other. Now, let's see how that applies to the atrocities of our current age.

Is it possible to forgive those responsible for 9/11? Everything in the collective American psyche screams "Blood for blood," but you have to remember that vengeance begets vengeance. Some of the ethnic groups in SW Asia have been nursing grudges with each other for decades, if not centuries (and it's not just restricted to SW Asia - look at Northern Ireland circa 1980).

It would take a great effort of collective will to say, "I will forego the vengeance I could have exacted for this, I will forget the injury you have done to me, and I shall forgive." Whether we, as a nation, have progressed far enough to be so civilized is a matter of conjecture.

CCNL -

You would get an answer from Victoria and I IF you wrote something worth responding to.

"Mischka and Victoria and especially Islamic males having one to four unbeaten or koranically- approved, beaten wives"

Again - old fart - I have to tell you repeatedly like a child - that Islam/Qur'an does not approve of wife beating. Its beginning to madden me now that you were even allowed within ten feet of other human beings. Dont they have a cage for you somewhere???

You talk to people in the most demeaning manner and expect them to actually engage in an intelligent discussion with you??? You throw the first stone and you expect others to smile at you? IF you were even the slightest bit interested in a discussion - you would ask and not attack. However, since you assume the above about Muslims - I cant help but assume that you are lonely, miserable, deteriorating and extremely bitter with your life.

Just because you are anti-Islam/Muslim does not mean that its a bad religion. It means your "neurons" have gone to la-la land.

p.s. - I dont know how to communicate with you because I dont speak "stupid".

Mischka and Victoria and especially Islamic males having one to four unbeaten or koranically- approved, beaten wives,

First, oops about the name change. Did not see that oddity.

And we still await you comments about the following tenets of Islam.

Again, are we in error about the listed parts of warmongering Islam's virtues/faith??

1. Belief in Allah??

2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence??

3. To believe in the existence of angels??

4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore??

5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone??

ref: The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi.

Is it possible that Imam Bayhaqi "twisted these Islamic tenets??????????

the Anonymous poster below Mischka is also Mischka...forgot to put my name on it.

To: 'Make sure you faithfully practice the ACM symptom alleviation methods' -

You said:

"Islamic males having one to four unbeaten or koranically-approved, beaten wives"

Hmmmm...I am a Muslim woman married to a Muslim man. He has never raised his voice at me - let alone hit me. My entire family is Muslim - I have never witnessed my father even touching my mother in a disrespectful manner.

I think you are misinterpreting Moody's post.

"BEAT YOUR WIFE APPLYING FORCE NOT MORE THEN TOOTH CLEANING STICK"

How much force can you possibly apply with miswak??? Think about it. It means - Islamically - you are not allowed to beat or physically harm your wife...ever. You can yell at her, stop sleeping with her, divorce her, etc. BUT you cannot physically abuse her.

Walaikum Assalam Victoria! I hope you are doing well! :-)

Anonymous -

"Also your post is very angry and disjointed. This is not a good example of Muslim women. You sound like a confused American."

She is not confused Anon - quite the opposite. There is nothing angry or disjointed about her posts - she listed facts and the blatant truth.

"Consider this sad story of violent oppression and ask yourself - who will help these women if we don't? U.S. should Condemn Saudis for punishing rape victim."

I agree with you! They should - why dont they? Islam is not the one to blame in this situation. Its the government of Saudi Arabia. Islam does not condemn innocent people to brutal punishment.

"This is beyond draconian. The Saudi judges might as well be cavemen. The young woman faces punishment for something we'd consider teenage folly. She was 19 at the time and alone with a former boyfriend in a car. For a woman to be alone with a man who is not a close relative is a crime in Saudi Arabia. The offense is called khilwa and is punishable for both men and women."

I cannot say what was done was right. I cannot defend them. I can say that Islam was not properly followed in this case. I can say that it was mishandled. The US SHOULD use their influence to make this an example of what should NOT be happening in SA.

Anan -

"We having two groupings of people...those whom born through sexual lust,such children in life having no spiritual basis, the majority tending to call themselves atheists, having an very low IQ, for them atheism, being the ideal as it's basis to beleive in nothing... Then there those children whom born from the union of love, where sexual union blessed by an third party, giving readings from the holy sriptures. The fruit of such holy bonding, being children of a high IQ, whom having depth in understanding as being rich in spiritual experience..."

What???!!! You just condemned a humungous amount of innnocent children to a general category of "dumb"! What is wrong with you??? Why are you even posting on this blog? Your sentences make no sense, you dont know how to write a line without sounding like you're looking in a dictionary the whole time. I dont know what part of the planet you are in - but you need help...pronto!

CCNL - I do not care how many times you change your name and post on here - do you realize you are being ignored old man? Do you realize you are losing steam now? If you are trying to accomplish something (God knows what) its not working. All of your "allegations" against Islam are twisted. None of it is true. Not a single one. Sorry old man - its time to put down the cane and get into your wheel chair.

"In terms of divine consistency, I do not think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, including Jesus, brings dead people back to life."

How sad that you do not believe in the devine nature of Jesus Christ.

We forgive you crazy religion-obsessed whackos for your legacy of coercion,