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Meret:

You will understand if I have difficulty believing you.

halloween is deffinitly not for devil worship but it could be spirtul realflection depending on what kinda of coustum you wear or how you see halloween. a time for free candy or just to think about what you chose on wearing

halloween is deffinitly not for devil worship but it could be spirtul realflection depending on what kinda of coustum you wear or how you see halloween. a time for free candy or just to think about what you chose on wearing

halloween is deffinitly not for devil worship but it could be spirtul realflection depending on what kinda of coustum you wear or how you see halloween. a time for free candy or just to think about what you chose on wearing

halloween is deffinitly not for devil worship but it could be spirtul realflection depending on what kinda of coustum you wear or how you see halloween. a time for free candy or just to think about what you chose on wearing

The day may seem like harmless fun but it can be far from it. Satanist use this day for terrible things. I recall having to prevent a young child from being abducted on Halloween. Lord only knows what would have happened to that child. I dare say he would not have survived the night.

The day may seem like harmless fun but it can be far from it. Satanist use this day for terrible things. I recall having to prevent a young child from being abducted on Halloween. Lord only knows what would have happened to that child. I dare say he would not have survived the night.

Honestly, I think that Halloween is a holiday that is all in good fun. I don't really see why people see it as devil worship. The people that celebrate Halloween most outrageously are young children, looking for nothing more than to dress up and get candy. However, I do think that Halloween has become too much of a commercial holiday. Many people don't even know that it's a religious holiday, which would be the Eve of all Saints, when we should reflect on the saints and praise their work.

Honestly, I think that Halloween is a holiday that is all in good fun. I don't really see why people see it as devil worship. The people that celebrate Halloween most outrageously are young children, looking for nothing more than to dress up and get candy. However, I do think that Halloween has become too much of a commercial holiday. Many people don't even know that it's a religious holiday, which would be the Eve of all Saints, when we should reflect on the saints and praise their work.

Ok, I am a 9th grader and I dont see why people automatically assume that kids my age are vandals and juvenile delinquents. Although I don't go trick-or-treating anymore I still get into the "spirit" of things. I appreciate a good looking costume as much as the next person. And whether it is a bloody scream mask or the current incarnation of the power rangers I dont think that Halloween is evil. It is mainly for the kids to enjoy and for the older ones to watch a bunch of scary movies.

Ok, I am a 9th grader and I dont see why people automatically assume that kids my age are vandals and juvenile delinquents. Although I don't go trick-or-treating anymore I still get into the "spirit" of things. I appreciate a good looking costume as much as the next person. And whether it is a bloody scream mask or the current incarnation of the power rangers I dont think that Halloween is evil. It is mainly for the kids to enjoy and for the older ones to watch a bunch of scary movies.

ok.
First off let me get started by saying that Halloween is devil worship is completely wrong. I mean by saying that it is is really stupid. I mean no offense to the people that believe it is but how does little kids going to peoples houses and asking for candy wrong. It is time to face the facts the kids are trying to have fun and get things they enjoy. At no point in "A Charlie Brown Christmas" does Linus sell his soul to the great pumpkin.

Holloween is always a fun holiday but not when you get in trouble i hate it thesedays when people take advantage of holoween and end up hurting others or damaging property. People have tha right to go out with therte friends yes but they do not have a right to hurt others. This holoween many people have had broken windows and vandalizzed cars. Govenment should have a new law stating that holoween is a holiday for children under ten and if your caught out that night without the presents of a child ( just because you have to take them trick or treating) should be arrested for chriminal mischef. They should also make a curfiew law for all ages i dont care the time just make it reasonable. Others who agree with this comment comment back. Peace!!!!!!!!!

Holloween is always a fun holiday but not when you get in trouble i hate it thesedays when people take advantage of holoween and end up hurting others or damaging property. People have tha right to go out with therte friends yes but they do not have a right to hurt others. This holoween many people have had broken windows and vandalizzed cars. Govenment should have a new law stating that holoween is a holiday for children under ten and if your caught out that night without the presents of a child ( just because you have to take them trick or treating) should be arrested for chriminal mischef. They should also make a curfiew law for all ages i dont care the time just make it reasonable. Others who agree with this comment comment back. Peace!!!!!!!!!

Holloween is always a fun holiday but not when you get in trouble i hate it thesedays when people take advantage of holoween and end up hurting others or damaging property. People have tha right to go out with therte friends yes but they do not have a right to hurt others. This holoween many people have had broken windows and vandalizzed cars. Govenment should have a new law stating that holoween is a holiday for children under ten and if your caught out that night without the presents of a child ( just because you have to take them trick or treating) should be arrested for chriminal mischef. They should also make a curfiew law for all ages i dont care the time just make it reasonable. Others who agree with this comment comment back. Peace!!!!!!!!!

Happy All Souls day to all around the world, especially to those in the US, which hosts this terrific On Faith forum!

Happy all souls day to Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham and those with whom I have shared messages on this forum. I'm sure all have someone or the other to remember, who have passed on.

I am taking time to remember all those who have gone before me, there are quite a few although I am still at an age when my peers are a long way away from saying their earthly goodbyes. I take time to celebrate their memory and all the special memories they left me with. I rejoice in the fact that one day I will see them again, even if the earthly bonds will have disappeared.

For me it is a time to remember that my time on this earth is limited and I too must pass on. Maybe I'd have to go much earlier than expected as some people in my life have, starting with my infant sister at the age of five months (and all I can remember is how ill she had been most of that time). I take consolation in the fact that I will not die one day too early or one day too late than God had intended on the day I was born.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

I'm a ninth grader, and I still find halloween to be one of my favorite holidays. I believe that halloween can be a time for spiritual reflection, but for most people my age, it isn't. The only thing most kids that I know consider religious about it, is that we get off the next day of school. For most people halloween is just a harmless holiday that allows us to dress up, have fun, and get candy. However, I'm beginning to realize how scary halloween can be, with all the people out there that will vandalize and cause harm to people. I know last night I found several adults watching me and my friends, as if they thought we were going to start throwing eggs at people. It seems like many teenagers who do vandalize on halloween are ruining it for those who don't.

I'm a ninth grader, and I still find halloween to be one of my favorite holidays. I believe that halloween can be a time for spiritual reflection, but for most people my age, it isn't. The only thing most kids that I know consider religious about it, is that we get off the next day of school. For most people halloween is just a harmless holiday that allows us to dress up, have fun, and get candy. However, I'm beginning to realize how scary halloween can be, with all the people out there that will vandalize and cause harm to people. I know last night I found several adults watching me and my friends, as if they thought we were going to start throwing eggs at people. It seems like many teenagers who do vandalize on halloween are ruining it for those who don't.

Im a 9th grader and i think that Halloween in this day and age has nothing to do with religion except that if you go to a catholic school, as i do, you know you get the next day off from school. Halloween is about getting candy and, for one night dressing up to be something that you're not. It gives a sort of freedom to be anonymous that we play pranks on our friends. I don't support people who actually engage in the act of vandalism however. Its mostly harmless fun for youg people of dressing up, getting candy, and playing pranks on friends. Halloween has nothing to do with religion in its modern form, nor should it.

Im a 9th grader and i think that Halloween in this day and age has nothing to do with religion except that if you go to a catholic school, as i do, you know you get the next day off from school. Halloween is about getting candy and, for one night dressing up to be something that you're not. It gives a sort of freedom to be anonymous that we play pranks on our friends. I don't support people who actually engage in the act of vandalism however. Its mostly harmless fun for youg people of dressing up, getting candy, and playing pranks on friends. Halloween has nothing to do with religion in its modern form, nor should it.

Im a 9th grader and i think that Halloween in this day and age has nothing to do with religion except that if you go to a catholic school, as i do, you know you get the next day off from school. Halloween is about getting candy and, for one night dressing up to be something that you're not. It gives a sort of freedom to be anonymous that we play pranks on our friends. I don't support people who actually engage in the act of vandalism however. Its mostly harmless fun for youg people of dressing up, getting candy, and playing pranks on friends. Halloween has nothing to do with religion in its modern form, nor should it.

i think halloween can be a very scary night. not just because of the the scary but playful pranks people play on eachother, but also because of the people that could be out there while people my age are with all of our friends trick or treating. a lot of kids my age dont really think about what could really happen if we are not being careful about where we are and what we are doing. after listening to my parents give me a speach every halloween, i really take their advice now and i am very aware of my surroundings. sometimes i am a little bit scared when i go out with my friends on halloween because i dont know what could happen..afterall we're only a group of fourteen year olds by ourselves at night.

but on the other hand, it is also a time for harmless fun like playing silly pranks on eachother, getting into silly string fights, and throwing shaving cream at eachother. i guess for some kids though, they take it a little too far and start being distructive and disrespectful to other peoples property, which i dont think is right. i also dont think that it is a night for devil worshiping. ive never met anyone who worships the devil, so i dont think they would be doing it on halloween. i also dont think it is a day of spiritual reflection becuase most people go out and have fun with a bunch of friends and get candy. i thihnk maybe the day after halloween, which is att saints day, is more like a spiritual reflection day rather than actual halloween.

i think halloween can be a very scary night. not just because of the the scary but playful pranks people play on eachother, but also because of the people that could be out there while people my age are with all of our friends trick or treating. a lot of kids my age dont really think about what could really happen if we are not being careful about where we are and what we are doing. after listening to my parents give me a speach every halloween, i really take their advice now and i am very aware of my surroundings. sometimes i am a little bit scared when i go out with my friends on halloween because i dont know what could happen..afterall we're only a group of fourteen year olds by ourselves at night.

but on the other hand, it is also a time for harmless fun like playing silly pranks on eachother, getting into silly string fights, and throwing shaving cream at eachother. i guess for some kids though, they take it a little too far and start being distructive and disrespectful to other peoples property, which i dont think is right. i also dont think that it is a night for devil worshiping. ive never met anyone who worships the devil, so i dont think they would be doing it on halloween. i also dont think it is a day of spiritual reflection becuase most people go out and have fun with a bunch of friends and get candy. i thihnk maybe the day after halloween, which is att saints day, is more like a spiritual reflection day rather than actual halloween.

i think halloween can be a very scary night. not just because of the the scary but playful pranks people play on eachother, but also because of the people that could be out there while people my age are with all of our friends trick or treating. a lot of kids my age dont really think about what could really happen if we are not being careful about where we are and what we are doing. after listening to my parents give me a speach every halloween, i really take their advice now and i am very aware of my surroundings. sometimes i am a little bit scared when i go out with my friends on halloween because i dont know what could happen..afterall we're only a group of fourteen year olds by ourselves at night.

but on the other hand, it is also a time for harmless fun like playing silly pranks on eachother, getting into silly string fights, and throwing shaving cream at eachother. i guess for some kids though, they take it a little too far and start being distructive and disrespectful to other peoples property, which i dont think is right. i also dont think that it is a night for devil worshiping. ive never met anyone who worships the devil, so i dont think they would be doing it on halloween. i also dont think it is a day of spiritual reflection becuase most people go out and have fun with a bunch of friends and get candy. i thihnk maybe the day after halloween, which is att saints day, is more like a spiritual reflection day rather than actual halloween.

i think halloween can be a very scary night. not just because of the the scary but playful pranks people play on eachother, but also because of the people that could be out there while people my age are with all of our friends trick or treating. a lot of kids my age dont really think about what could really happen if we are not being careful about where we are and what we are doing. after listening to my parents give me a speach every halloween, i really take their advice now and i am very aware of my surroundings. sometimes i am a little bit scared when i go out with my friends on halloween because i dont know what could happen..afterall we're only a group of fourteen year olds by ourselves at night.

but on the other hand, it is also a time for harmless fun like playing silly pranks on eachother, getting into silly string fights, and throwing shaving cream at eachother. i guess for some kids though, they take it a little too far and start being distructive and disrespectful to other peoples property, which i dont think is right. i also dont think that it is a night for devil worshiping. ive never met anyone who worships the devil, so i dont think they would be doing it on halloween. i also dont think it is a day of spiritual reflection becuase most people go out and have fun with a bunch of friends and get candy. i thihnk maybe the day after halloween, which is att saints day, is more like a spiritual reflection day rather than actual halloween.

Victoria, Victoria, Victoria,

Hmmmm, how about apologizing for "Mo" for his transgressions against women. Ditto for all subsequent, now deceased, Islamic males.

Has your Islamic husband apologized to you????

Catholics/Christians of the New Reality demand equal rights for all persons of good standing to include the right to the sacrament of Holy Orders for all adults married or not.

thanks butterfly lady-
i think youre one of theose composite crayons that are all the colors in one rainbow mold-
plaid is a better answer though- short and sweet (unlike my long convoluted answers_

soja- keep us posted on all souls day too
thanks for sharing, i was wondering if a catholic would show up - the little flower is truly one fo my favorite people in hsitory

LIB- i was talking about men who are living- how can men who are DEAD make apologies?
but YOU"RE living lib-

we can start with you

I`m nicole a 9th grader from st. johns high school and i think that halloween is a time for spirtiual reflection but the way us kids show it is not by going to church and praying, we go out and have fun and enjoy the life that God has given us. But i also don't dissagree that halloween is used in the wrong way sometimes, people do do stupid and foolish things, but thats there decision but overall halloween is a time for fun and spirtual reflection.

I`m nicole a 9th grader from st. johns high school and i think that halloween is a time for spirtiual reflection but the way us kids show it is not by going to church and praying, we go out and have fun and enjoy the life that God has given us. But i also don't dissagree that halloween is used in the wrong way sometimes, people do do stupid and foolish things, but thats there decision but overall halloween is a time for fun and spirtual reflection.

I`m nicole a 9th grader from st. johns high school and i think that halloween is a time for spirtiual reflection but the way us kids show it is not by going to church and praying, we go out and have fun and enjoy the life that God has given us. But i also don't dissagree that halloween is used in the wrong way sometimes, people do do stupid and foolish things, but thats there decision but overall halloween is a time for fun and spirtual reflection.

We having with Hillary Clinton another example of boys being boys.She being head as shoulders above her rivals for position of presidency,yet boys being boys,ganging up to stop such event, willing, stoop to any level of deceit.Yet the hand of God upon Hillary,giving an strength,as confidence such enabled to face accusers,thus, warn.....GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.....

Grf.

My response starts with the answer to "ok butterfly lady, what flavor are you?"

Must get more coffee.

Sorry about the pasting errors in my response to Victoria - It should start with the asecond place where her name appears - somehow, I accidentally pasted in posts above the one I was quoting from.

Blame it on lack of sleep.

Blondie jokes...Are but another abuse of women. Such the following, joke be a typical example. Two fat blondes are sitting in a pub. One says to the other,'Your round.' And the other replies, so are you, ya fat bastard!'

To reiterate in case some of our female members forget:

Victoria, Victoria, Victoria,

You noted: "when i read this stuff- i think every man everywhere should apologize and make reparations to every woman alive."

You neglected to finish your statement. Allow me: "starting with the hallucinating, warmongering, womanizing founder of Islam and his male scribes who are responsible for all the anti-female passages in the koran and the subsequent subjugation, stoning and butchering of Islam women for the last 1400 years.

Quote: "From ghoulies and ghosties/ And long-leggedy beasties/ And things that go bump in the night/ Good Lord, deliver us!" — Scottish prayer

The modern version: "From Muslims And things that explode 24/7, Good Lord, deliver us.

VICTORIA:
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to set out lanterns made of pumpkins and to gather and remember those who have left us to become another from of energy.

Halloween was a day to take time to be grateful for Mother Earth and all she provides. Some of us still do.

October 31, 2007 3:06 PM

VICTORIA :
well jonny, its america, were allowed to have different opinions

October 31, 2007 3:04 PM

Anonymous :
Victoria --

"although, i havent seen any one (well except CTCNL- but he hates everyone) say anything negative so far."

I WILL say something negative -- well, semi-negative.

Magical thinking (in the ADULT world) results in disaster.

In the kiddie world, it stimulates imagination -- but MOST kiddies are not so stupid as to think Toad Hall, or Oz, are real.

In the adult world, magical thinking results in naught but bigotry, violence and repression.

VICTORIA:
**ok butterly lady, what flavor are you?**

My path is an eclectic one. I draw from many traditions, embracing no pre-exiting one in toto. I once took one of those silly quizzes that friends email each other, and to the question, "If you were a crayon, what color would you be?" I answered "Plaid. I know there are no plaid crayons in the box, but if I were a crayon, there would be."

I sometimes attend rituals with other Pagans to celebrate holy days, and when I'm at a ritual at someone else's home, I participate according to the protocol of the person who is leading the ritual.

**so what is your particular way of celebrating the new year?**

I remember friends, family, and others who have died in the past year, naming each one, invoking the blessings of each directional/elemental spirit for them. In fact, last night, I had to bury one of our pet rabbits who died yesterday. He was included in the remembrance.
I remember friends, family, and others who have died in years past, not by individual name, but as a continuance of the honor offered to them. Ancestors are included in this remembrance.
Loved ones who have passed are reminded that they are not forgotten, still very much loved.
I remember births among my friends and family that have occurred within the past year, naming each and invoking the blessings of each directional/elemental spirit on them.
I give thanks for friends, family, and others who continue to bless and enrich my life with their presence.
I give thanks for the harvest of food, whether from my own garden, the Farmer's Market, or the supermarket, that have sustained my body, as well as for the harvest of friends, family, and others that have sustained my soul.

Of course, to an extent, I do this every day, but Samhain is a time to do it formally.

**people create in their imaginations worse scenarios than actually exist- and ascribe malevolence to very benign and loving rites.**

People are often afraid of that which they do not understand, or that which they perceive as Other. Fear born of ignorance is curable. Unfortuantely, there are those who prefer to remain ignorant, and when you try to correct their ignorance, stick their fingers in their ears and sing LALALALA, then continue their demonization of that which they don't understand. Thanks for not being one of those people.

**i figured some would want to use the opportunity of this holdiay to counter misconceptions fromchristians**

Now if we could only get the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world to listen and learn,instead of spreading their venom.

**although, i havent seen any one (well except CTCNL- but he hates everyone) say anything negative so far.**

When CC begins a post with "Victoria fails to address the flaws in Islam" or words to that effect, I don't bother reading any further.

**peace**

Namaste.

VICTORIA..Victimization against woman be deep rooted going back to begining of creation.Satan be GOD's first attempt at creation of man that failed,having a mind yet lacking a brain,being in an constant state of sexual arousal.Adam was the newer version the then accepted version of man,with a brain,sexual arousal that being much contained.It was not in GODs heart to destroy Satan.Hence, for Eve as any woman left facing an, dilema there much of Satan,in form as mind she admired which Adam lacking,thus temptation she could not resist,bringing union with Satan. VICTOIA...The rest be history Eve as daughters of Eve, never forgiven,ever to kneel before man as God asking, begging, pleading,forgivness.xxx X

Dear Concerned Christian, maybe not so liberated after all...

I attended a Syro-Malabar Catholic Carmelite school for two years between the ages of 8-10. Catholic children were taught Catechism and the spirituality of St Theresa of Lisieux (non Catholics and non-Christians were taught moral science). Only many years later did I read some writings of St Theresa of Lisieux. I recall reading that she promised to help people even after her death. I apply it to all saints that is all. BTW, only quite recently have I adopted such Catholic beliefs. Remembering saints was a practice I had shed for many many years.

The donation is the time spent in making a simple request to God in the name of Jesus, including a thought addressed to the saints asking for their intercession. It is done in a few seconds. For the rest of my prayer, when I do take the time to pray, it is done simply as a silent offering of myself to God. No, I do not imagine heaven to be like an e-Bay. I don't waste any time with vain imaginations about heaven or heavenly creatures. Vain imaginations about people and things on the earth that I can see and hear and touch takes up all my time.

Best wishes
Soja

Soja,

You noted: "Saints have assured us that they would try to help the living even after they are gone."

And what saints noted these assurances? Names, dates and attestations, please!!

And how were they going to do this? And how were they going to be fair about it? And why is there a donation involved? Favors given to the highest bidder? Something like a heavenly e-Bay?? Hmmm, not very "Jesus like"!!!!!

Victoria, Victoria, Victoria,

You noted: "when i read this stuff- i think every man everywhere should apologize and make reparations to every woman alive."

You neglected to finish your statement. Allow me: "starting with the hallucinating, warmongering, womanizing founder of Islam and his male scribes who are responsible for all the anti-female passages in the koran and the subsequent subjugation, stoning and butchering of Islam women for the last 1400 years.

Happy all Saints day! Today, 1 November, the Catholic Church celebrates the all Saints day.

To answer an earlier question in this context: I do believe in life after death, spirits both good and bad; angels and devils... No, personally (in accordance with the Bible) I don't believe it is a good idea to try to contact the spirits of the dead. Dead people have moved on to another level of existence (in which Jesus said there is no marriage or giving in marriage and the bonds of the earth as we know them are non-existent)and they should not be recalled to this level of existence which they cannot reenter fully. The dead must be allowed to rest in peace and their spirits must be set free. There are accounts of people who have been declared clinically dead and then returned to life, how they came to life because of the attachment of the living, although they preferred to live in their new realm (which they described as beautiful or fearful depending on how they lived this life).

Those who try to contact the dead spirits, do it for their own consolation, because they find it difficult to let go of the person who has passed on. The dead person leaves a void in the life of the living in proportion to the attachment between them. The dead I believe do not miss the living as they have passed on beyond the realm of human attachments. Those that try to deal with their pain by contacting the spirits of their dead loved ones are usually ready to let the dead pass on after they themselves have worked through the pain. It is wonderful to celebrate the memories of the dead, but to try to contact their spirits in a way that would keep them bound to this side of eternity...no.

Saints have assured us that they would try to help the living even after they are gone. Sainthood is awarded to human beings who have left a model to learn from. Hence the Catholics celebrate the all saints day. I take the time to remember my favorite saints, not to worship them as non-Catholics assume.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

I would say that Halloween in harmless fun. One must do everything in moderation of course. Someone mentioned kids were hurt with mean treats. That of course should not be.

Christianity adopted many pagan festivals in Europe and Christianized it. Wise move, that. It gave the Christians an opportunity to celebrate with the pagans and gave the pagans an opportunity to adopt Christianity without giving up some of the festivals that were meaningful to them.

Celebrating together as a community is a good thing for all. It is an essential part of life and should not be abolished in the name of reason. The excessive consumerism should be kept in check, that is all.

I like to remember that Jesus lived a normal life with the Jewish community, attending weddings and participating in all community celebrations of His Jewish community at the time. He set an example of how one could be in the world, while not being of this world; in other words how to keep an eternal focus while living in this world.

We do not live in an age when children take the stories of witches and spirits literally. Harry Potter stories don't create superstitious kids. So in my personal opinion, any fear of Halloween is an overreaction. No doubt concern for the excessive consumerism resulting from it needs to be addressed.

Happy Halloween to all around the world who celebrate it!

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

an anonymousposter reminded me of something-
i went to look for info on the wealth of the women who were accused of being witches-

alot of men got really rich accusing women of being witches-
i remember reading that it was rare nay impossible to find a woman who had any wealth, and no 'menfolk' to protect her- that didnt end up being accused of witchery- with the accusers and judges of course divvying up the wealth-

i came across this website which had i think a good quick description of what happened to those poor women.

( not lurid details for the prurient- but the whys of it
http://www.xanga.com/MysticWiccan

this is to me one of the most ignorant vicious brutal and disgusting acts of MEN in history-

can anyone else think of any times in history where the entire gender- the entire half of the humanity- was tortured and ,aliciously sadistically burned molested (waterboarded)

when i read this stuff- i think every man everywhere should apologize and make reparations to every woman alive.

thats why i dont read it too much

Halloween is harmless fun for kids who get to dress up and get treats. Frankly I would be more concerned about the mental state of someone who tells you it is an evil holliday than I am about Halloween. But I don't worry about them either because I don't associate with people like that for long. They usually get mad at me for laughing at them and telling them they are stupid.(just kidding) But I am more concerned about the greed nuts, and the power hungry nuts, and the religion nuts who want to control everyone and have control of everything and cause great death and destruction to obtain it. There is no one on the planet who is any more special or any better than anyone else. But there are a lot who think they are. There are a lot who think their way is the only way. This is not true.

Was Eve involved in witchcraft ? did she pass the art of witchcraft to her daughters ? Adam being impotent, whom truly fathered Eve's children ? Satan ? These but an few questions, that remain unanswered, open to debate... .

Israel Defense League,

As with Adam and Eve, Abraham is a fictional character. Quoting from the fictional OT does not change that. Apparently the Jewish scribes were well trained in embellishing legends during their sojourn in Babylon.

Even the OT time line is in error i.e. the original Adam lived some 60,000 years ago, not 6000.

Most common method used by the "witchfinder" in proving an witch,was holding the accused under water,after an time if accused still alive,this being clear proof,beyond doubt,of witchcraft.The witch then burnt at the stake.Wordly possesions, then shared betwixt, Witchfinder & accusers...

How the Jews switched the two names.

Genesis 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram."
Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."
That makes Abraham's son Ishmael 13,
how old is Isaac at this time? Genesis 21:5 "Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him."

that means during the circumcision/sacrifice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael and not Isaac as the Bible says.

KJV Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,"
Therefore we see that Isaac was not the only son, as a matter of fact, Isaac was not even born yet and Abraham's Only begotten son was Ishmael. Therefore further confirming the Legitimacy of Prophet Muhammad which God says I will make great Nations from Ishmael.

Summary

If you have a brain, use logic to deduce.
1. Genesis 17:10: covenant between God and Abraham's seeds.
2. Genesis 17:13 covenant shall be in your flesh (circumcision)
3. Genesis 16:16 Abraham's was 86 when he got Ismael
4. Genesis 17:24 Abraham was 99 when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin
5. conclusion of above facts: Abraham's son Ishmael was 13 when Abraham was circumcised.
6. Genesis 21:5 Abraham was 100 when his son Isaac was born.

CONCLUSION During the circumcision/sacrifice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael and not Isaac as the Bible says.
The crooks changed KJV Hebrews 11:17 from Ismael to Issac.

See how racism made you lie to GOD!
Changing God's words for worldly gains.

by extraordinary synchronicity jonny- i happen to be having a conversation about that very subject on the islam and violence blog right this minute
(1rs and 14th amendment)

o that sounds like cotton mathers blather (the rounded bottom one)

Victoria, Victoria, Victoria,

No one is coming for you. Why??? The "ugly talking flying fictional thingie" aka the "demon of the demented" aka Islam is already knocking on your door.

by extraordinary synchronicity jonny- i happen to be having a conversation about that very subject on the islam and violence blog right this minute
(1rs and 14th amendment)

LADY MACBETH: That which hath made them drunk, hath made me bold. What hath quench'd them, hath given me fire ... .. .

anonymous :

What on earth was that?????

"To recognise an witch be in the unique rounding of her buttocks. Such sight,leadS to uncontrolable lust,A desire for sexual pleasures to the lowest,depravities."

I can only surmise that this is tongue in cheek, right??????

Imaginary friend:

"His name is Petey, an' he has boogers in his nose!"

"His name is God, an' he's all-powerful!"

"He's a mysterious force, an' you'd better watch out!"

"He's IN ya, see? He's IN ya! He's EVERPLACE!"

Crap, crappy-crap, crapola. Dummfukk central.

"Hence,to all youth beware the witch,Be Warned.x

October 31, 2007 3:59 PM"
____

That's nice. Prove it, or shut up.

Only once having I ever challanged a witch,this occassion in regard to an spell of captivation cast over an poor soul,wherupon they became but an toy,a sexual plaything,to be used as abused. Being an god fearing soul I intervined squared up to the witch,and avised her actions immoral. The outcome a spell cast upon me,not serious, I recovered in a short period.The victim on whose behalf,I dared to challange witch was set free. However I do not advise one challange an witch they being best left well alone.To recognise an witch be in the unique rounding of her buttocks. Such sight,leadS to uncontrolable lust,A desire for sexual pleasures to the lowest,depravities. Hence,to all youth beware the witch,Be Warned.x

Post 38 is me.

"trust me jonny, as a muslim theyll come for me long before you- so we have to speak up for each other and all others to prevent that"

As you are a Muslim, I am not in your corner -- I loathe magical thinking -- but as a freethinker in a nation beclouded by Christian magical thinking, I am, indeed, in your corner -- as you are in mine. Let us work for the IMPORTANT things -- such as the First Amendment. I am a true American and I will die for your right to believe any nonsense you wish -- but I need not respect the nonsense itself. I loathe bigotry even more than I loathe magical thinking. Agreed?

trust me jonny, as a muslim theyll come for me long before you- so we have to speak up for each other and all others to prevent that

"well jonny, its america, were allowed to have different opinions"

So far. As a rational freethinker (atheist,) I tend to suspect that there is a Gitmo in my future -- not that I'm paranoid, of course.

Once upon a Time....

Halloween was a day of honoring the change of seasons of our Earth. Mother Earth was sacred, not something to be exploited and polluted for profit.

It was a day to set out lanterns made of pumpkins and to gather and remember those who have left us to become another from of energy.

Halloween was a day to take time to be grateful for Mother Earth and all she provides. Some of us still do.

well jonny, its america, were allowed to have different opinions

Victoria --

"although, i havent seen any one (well except CTCNL- but he hates everyone) say anything negative so far."

I WILL say something negative -- well, semi-negative.

Magical thinking (in the ADULT world) results in disaster.

In the kiddie world, it stimulates imagination -- but MOST kiddies are not so stupid as to think Toad Hall, or Oz, are real.

In the adult world, magical thinking results in naught but bigotry, violence and repression.

We are grown up -- we ought to THINK grown up.

ok butterly lady, what flavor are you?

ive found different pagan groups to be highly ritualized with definite and distinct practices, casting of circles and divination, magick, moon rites etc...

ive been to druid circles that followed a definite practice and ritual-

ive certainly seen pagans make distinctions between themselves about their particular practices-

so what is your particular way of celebrating the new year?

i think many people are probably curious-
it'll take the mystique out of it that seems to cause so much ignorance about it-

people create in their imaginations worse scenarios than actually exist- and ascribe malevolence to very benign and loving rites.

i figured some would want to use the opportunity of this holdiay to counter misconceptions fromchristians

although, i havent seen any one (well except CTCNL- but he hates everyone) say anything negative so far.

peace

Fact is, Halloween is a celebration of magical thinking -- which is why it's been relevated to the kiddie table.

It's the 21st Century, kiddies.

Mr Mark --

In fact, as you'll recall, Romney says, "Osama -- WHOOPS, Obama" -- and that's HIS idea of humor. Ha-ha.

Mr Mark --

"A self-deprecating joke would have been better, IMO."

Granted -- but Obama gets no credit when he makes one, and Romney makes none.

Jonny -

Actually, Obama said that his Romney mask had two faces.

I didn't find it that funny. Sort of a safe joke at an R's expense.

A self-deprecating joke would have been better, IMO.

Mr Mark --

"He said he was wearing a Mitt Romney mask."

He might've told us which one.

"No one said he had a sense of humor."

If he HAD told us which Romney mask, that would have settled it.

The last question at last night's Democratic debate went to Obama, who was asked what he was going as for Halloween.

He said he was wearing a Mitt Romney mask.

A better answer would have been, "I'm going as Hillary," or, "I'm wearing a Barack Obama mask."

No one said he had a sense of humor.

Victoria:
I thought that part of what was going on with all these message boards WAS a sharing of information regarding our faith.

What many non-Pagans seem to find bothersome about Paganism is that there is no single unifying document or creed. We're a highly individualted bunch, and we like it that way. But that makes it very difficult for one Pagan to say that all Pagans believe x, y, or z. That's why you so often see in Terra's, PaganPlace's, PriveR's, Antaeus', Wiccan's, (forgive me if I left anyone out) and my posts, not "we believe" but "I believe."

If you have a question about my personal belief on a particular issue, I'll be glad to share it with you. But don't be surprised if every other Pagan reading the post chimes in with a diferent take on the same topic.

But as far as quoting scripture, that is one thing I can say "we" don't do. Same for proseltyzing.

Oh, for C*****'s sake. It's a KIDDIE holiday. Does that tell you something? As, maybe, imaginary friends and menaces are for KIDDIES? HMMM?

Pssst -- there's no such things as ghosts. There's no such things as witches. There's no such things as vampires. Mama said ...

There's no such thing as the SUPERNATURAL. Period. End of it. Use your head, for once.

why dont pagans ever talk about their beliefs or practices?
it seems like samhain would be the perfect time
to share your faith with us

during ramadan for instance- i shared many details down to the minutiae

but i expected pagans to be sharing about this time for the rest of us
its why were onfaith

just curious- if people know more about your faith- they are less likely to misunderstand it
the more open and transparent pagans become the less people are afraid

and it seems many christians have some fear of paganism

the only way to combat ignorance and fear is through knowledge