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Thank you Moody; it takes a lot of courage to admit a mistake and ask for forgiveness. Your apology is accepted.

You certainly were provoked to lose your temper. We cannot all have the patience of our dearest friend Victoria.

On behalf of all of my fellow citizens of the terrorist state of US_Israel, please accept our apology for the heinous crimes that we have committed, and will continue to commit, against the Muslim world.

Hi,

First I'ld like to apologize for all the anger reflected in my posts, due to obvious reflected reasons. I would like to take this moment to CLARIFY, that it was not due to hate or discrimination in general against anyone, but YES against the elements which are causing such devastation, hatred and distruction between us (humans).

Hi,

First I'ld like to apologize for all the anger reflected in my posts, due to obvious reflected reasons. I would like to take this moment to CLARIFY, that it was not due to hate or discrimination in general against anyone, but YES against the elements which are causing such devastation, hatred and distruction between us (humans).

Victoria,

Congratulations on winning your much deserved award! Check it out on the following link by The Jihadist posted at 5:56 PM:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/susan_jacoby/2007/10/cooperate_or_die/all_comments.html

THE FIRST ANNUAL AWARDS FOR READER-POSTERS OF "ON FAITH" 2007

Prizes : free continued access to On Faith until award winners wants to stop or On Faith stop.

So.........the categories and nominees for "Most" and "Best" are..... (suspenseful drum-rolls):
...

Most patient and kind Muslim:
- Victoria

...

iran was what i got when i googled

i watched an interesting documentary on pbs last night about us relations with iran

i wasnt aware that without the help of iran, america couldnt have gone into afghanistan at all after 911

america repaid their help by almost immediately declaring iran one of the axis of evil

Victoria,

Wa-alakum-asalam,

Thank you for the advice. Bye the way i try not to take the comments personaly. Infact try to judge them on merit. MOSTY THEY DON'T REPLY TO THE RAISED QUESTIONS, THE REASON I BELIEVE, THEY DON'T HAVE POSITIVE ANSWERES TO THE PRESIDENTED HISTORY OR THEIR PRESENT OPEN HYPOCRITICAL FACTS.

Note: I apologize for the typing mistake in my quick replies/posts.

Few corrections regarding my post in "Islam and Voilenc" about Indian muslim history.

1- Indian Hindu's still praise Muslim Rulers (I typed rules), thier justice and fairness. You can watch their countless historical movies and documentoris about Muslim rulers, made in recent times.
2- If India was not divided and still united then its todays Muslim population is 530 million plus(I wrongly typed 5300),
including present India 1 billion plus +
-Pakistan 160 million plus muslims
-Bangladesh 170 million plus muslims
3- Today in present India there are
-700 million Hindus
-200 million plus muslim (of there own race with no political plate form, even in one out of its 26 states)
-And 100 million Christians/other minoroties.

REST YOU CAN READ IN THE THREAD "ISLAM AND VIOLENC" topic posted in April Or May month, I guess.

AND ABOUT USA/UK OIL CONTROL, THE NAME OF ONE COMPANY IS "OPEC" THE SECOND ONE YOU CAN FIND ON INTERNET. THERE ARE ONLY TWO!!

a salaamu alaikum moody- dont let them get you down on the islam and violence thread- just ignore them and their own hate will lose steam after awhile

thats why im ignoring it

peace

DOES ANY BODY SEE THE LINKS......
EVERY BODY DO.................
There is another AND MAIN reason of USA and UK running out of options and going MAD....

According to an international report.
- Annual world oil business is of 600 billion dollars.
-The five main exporters are
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria
-The whole world business to these countries is done in guess only one currency, guess which...US Dollars.
-The whole world oil business deals are done by only two major companies guess which countries owned them....NO.1 USA and NO.2 U.K.
-In another words the whole world oil business is in their control.
-And guess what in 2000 their past STRONG ALLY Iraq tried to switch the transaction through Euorpion Currency Euro. WELL POOR IRAQ.....
-And guess what Iran is trying to go to Euro Currency for the last 5 years. But couldn't due to complicatied international law...guess who is controlling?????

- Poor muslims demonized as terrorist by the MONSTORS....in Iran words

- Poor Saudi Arabia blackmailed by Americans of Israels threat. They recieve dollors against oil and gave it back to buy the secondry weopons from the enemy it self.......what a pitty...HALE AMERICA....HALE ISRAEL....HALE MONSTORS...I wonder after Iran is Nucked, who is going to be next in WW3 of America.....may be they fought between themselves at the end to get the richies...after all WW1 & WW2 were for the same reasons
- After WW2 importance of OIL was very clear to western world specially winner of war and in control USA. And there was a Jewish porblem at hand at that time as well. Two main issues
i- How to remove Jews from Europe..problem for Europions, SINCE YOU CAN EASILY EVEN GUESS ABOUT JEWS HISTORY NOW...WATCHING FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE
ii- Who will control the world wealth (Oil) of course the winners (USA & UK)
- No doubt now why the whole Europe is getting united, actually it is becoming their need to survive.....DON'T THEY ALSO WANT THEIR SHARE???

HYPOCRATES AND MONSTORS JUST DEMONIZING ISLAM AND MUSLIMS FOR THIER OWN GREED!!!!!!!!

Sorry,

Anon was me.

Moody,

Have patience my dear. The truth will out. You have most things right, but one big thing wrong:

1. American president lies about WMD – True
2. American president lies about torture – True
3. Propagating war on Islam and demonizing 1.6 million Muslims – True
4. Terrorists originate from areas terrorized by US_Israel war machines – True
5. American president is a hypocrite to blame Iran for trying to start WW-III, when in practice it is the terrorist state of US_Israel which is occupying Palestine and Iraq, slaughtering women and children by the thousands, driving millions of families into refugee camps, etc, etc, etc. - True
6. The US government is controlled by Jewish lobbyists – True
7. Muslim on Muslim Shia/Suni violence in Iraq is caused by US toppling the sovereign government, disbanding the security forces, and putting nothing in place – True
8. The suicide bombers/terrorists are people with no religion except revenge for homes being destroyed and families slaughtered – True
9. But the Jew/Christian/US agenda is clear, mad lust for land and oil – True
10. The World Trade Center was destroyed by US_Israel, not al-Qaeda – False

LIES UPON LIES,
DOES ANY BODY SEE THE LINKS, I GUESS EVERY BODY DOES!!!!!

- TYPE 9/11 on google and click. You will find all type of inquires made about it.
-Documentories about buldings bombed and burning but not collapsing LIKE TWIN TOWERS.
-Buildings demolished by controlled IMPLOSION like Twin towers.
-Pantagon plane crash hole. Where is the wings impact in that hole?? Where is the debry of plane? Is there any???
-American leader ship lies about Weopons of mass distruction and ALL THE LATER ATROCITIES.
-American leader ship lies about beyond LAW MUSLIM RENDITIONS/torture..what a civilized country laws.
-Propogating war against Islam and demonizing 1.6 billion peaceful muslims as Terrorists.
-Where Terrorists(retaliators/sucide bombers) are only originated from war torn massacred area by Jews/America which are very tiny part of muslim world but right in the middle/heart of it like,
- Palistine, (Where USA in announing WW3 after 60 years of occupation and distruction in its madness, treatening to nuck Iran). USA is controlled by its 60 million Jews plus addition to 60 million in Jerusalum. There lobbiest, media, financial institutions, weapon industry all controlled by Jews, thats why I guess they are ran out of options. And only thing they can see is the distruction of world...to gain profits/wealth/more madness.......
- Iraq (where now muslims killing muslims..not before the invasion.. but now yes fueled by USA who is keeping the fuel(oil).. still dollar and wall street is crashing down)
- Chachinia
- Afganistan
- Bosnia

Sucide bombers/ Terrorist are the breed of people who have no religion accept revenge, because their homes are distroyed, families are savaged.
Ask the US army, its an open secret!!!!!

But the Jew/Christian/US agenda is very clear....more madness....not willing to learn lesson from there own history.

I always wondered why the whole Europe after second WW gathered all the Jews and moved them out of Europe. I guess histroy is repeating in USA!!!!!!!!!

LIES UPON LIES,
DOES ANY BODY SEE THE LINKS, I GUESS EVERY BODY DOES!!!!!

- TYPE 9/11 on google and click. You will find all type of inquires made about it.
-Documentories about buldings bombed and burning but not collapsing LIKE TWIN TOWERS.
-Buildings demolished by controlled IMPLOSION like Twin towers.
-Pantagon plane crash hole. Where is the wings impact in that hole?? Where is the debry of plane? Is there any???
-American leader ship lies about Weopons of mass distruction and ALL THE LATER ATROCITIES.
-American leader ship lies about beyond LAW MUSLIM RENDITIONS/torture..what a civilized country laws.
-Propogating war against Islam and demonizing 1.6 billion peaceful muslims as Terrorists.
-Where Terrorists(retaliators/sucide bombers) are only originated from war torn massacred area by Jews/America which are very tiny part of muslim world but right in the middle/heart of it like,
- Palistine, (Where USA in announing WW3 after 60 years of occupation and distruction in its madness, treatening to nuck Iran). USA is controlled by its 60 million Jews plus addition to 60 million in Jerusalum. There lobbiest, media, financial institutions, weapon industry all controlled by Jews, thats why I guess they are ran out of options. And only thing they can see is the distruction of world...to gain profits/wealth/more madness.......
- Iraq (where now muslims killing muslims..not before the invasion.. but now yes fueled by USA who is keeping the fuel(oil).. still dollar and wall street is crashing down)
- Chachinia
- Afganistan
- Bosnia

Sucide bombers/ Terrorist are the breed of people who have no religion accept revenge, because their homes are distroyed, families are savaged.
Ask the US army, it an open secret!!!!!

But the Jew/Christian/US agenda is very clear....more madness....not willing to learn lesson from there own history.

I always wondered why the whole Europe gathered all the Jews and moved them out of Europe. I guess histroy is repeating in USA!!!!!!!!!

look at the link before you make conections in your head

its about larry craig you anonymous mook

Look out Victoria -Bill Maher is in on that 911 government conspiracy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxOljd9oOzo

By the way..How big of a LUNATIC are you?

I don't know, the CNN and Fox News (Joe Scarborough) videos were good, and scary. Thanks for the BBC link.

clearly my repertoire is quite limited

Yep, that's funny to me too Victoria. You've shown that to us before. It's hilarious. I'll let you watch funny videos like that to your hearts content, just stay away from the political/religious stuff. It's always phoney anyway.

this is totally off topic- i dont usually do youtube- but this is (to me) awfully funny

as bill maher notes- the funny part (to me) is chris matthews response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brySeA4NNks&mode=related&search=Larry%20Craig%20Bill%20Clinton%201999

i dont usually agree with krauthammer- and im surprised at his lack of mention for the catalyst of this resolution.

here is a link to the bbc-
it deals with the armenian lobby
the resolution was drafted by a congressman form cal- i cant remember his name-

Across the country, Armenian-Americans have been lobbying politicians, and publicising their view of the massacres as genocide - a suggestion the Turkish government and most Turks furiously reject.

Historians are also divided on whether this was a case of genocide. More than 20 countries have formally recognised genocide against the Armenians, however.

Given that Armenians represent only about 1.5m of America's 300m population, what has won them such influence over the US Congress - and perhaps the nation's foreign policy?

Organised lobby

Part of the answer lies in the organisation and determination of the Armenian-American lobby groups, says Dr Svante Cornell, of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins University.
The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) and the Armenian Assembly of America (AAA) are among the most powerful.

Another factor is that the Armenian-American community is largely concentrated in important states such as California, Michigan and Massachusetts, Dr Cornell said.

"You have basically a number of places where the Armenian issue is very important in local politics - especially for anybody wanting to get elected in California," he said.

"The Turkish lobby is much less organised and much less rooted in an electorate than the Armenian lobby."

'Sobering' choice

Of course, the vote - with 27 for and 21 against - was also based on representatives' competing sets of principles.
Opening the debate, Tom Lantos, the committee's Democratic chairman, acknowledged that the resolution posed a "sobering" choice.

Supporters draw a parallel between the mass killing of Armenians and what is happening in the Darfur region of Sudan today - and say the US must speak now if it is to maintain credibility on human rights.

Dr Rouben Adalian, of the Armenian National Institute in Washington, told the BBC's World Today: "In a world where genocide continues to occur, there is something to be said about acknowledging past genocides as a way of preventing others."

'Close-knit community'

For Bryan Ardouny, executive director of the AAA, the passage of the resolution "was a historic step forward" in ending what he calls the "denial campaign" of the Turkish government.

We have a very vibrant, passionate, educated constituency that feels very strongly and passionately about this

Bryan Ardouny,
Armenian Assembly of America

Readers debate US vote

"We very much appreciate the support of the whole Armenian community around the country but also the members of Congress who stood their ground and voted yes for the resolution," he said.

The AAA has worked very closely with the sponsors and co-sponsors of the resolution, he said, as well as talking to members of Congress from both parties about the issue.

The close-knit Armenian-American diaspora has also been at work educating other communities and writing to politicians, Mr Ardouny said.

"The response has been great in terms of activism throughout the entire Armenian-American community," he said.

"One of the consequences of the genocide was that Armenians came to the US. My grandparents were genocide survivors - they came to this country, they got an education, they became part of the American fabric.

"We have a very vibrant, passionate, educated constituency that feels very strongly and passionately about this and the fact it's still being denied - this is something that's painful."

'Heavy blow'

Some people argue that it is not the place of legislators to decide history - especially on an issue as fiercely contested as this one.

The resolution is expected to come to the full House before the session adjourns on 16 November.

Back in 2000, a similar resolution failed when it was withdrawn from the floor of the then Republican-controlled House at the urging of then President Bill Clinton, who said it could put at risk American lives and further inflame tensions in the Middle East.

heres the link- i edited out only turksih response and things not related but you can read it yourself- (for the sake of brevity)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7040344.stm

there are also many links on that blog

taking that into account- i think mr krauthammer may want to revise his reasoning-

however i think the dems really blew it big time

that link provided to brasscheck above on the screens below there are many many interesting snips

i LIKED the youtube vids and im going to watch more

ive seen buildings imploded because i have nothing better to do-
and it looks like an implosian to em but im no engineer

having said that- in general i HATE youtube and i dont say hate much

having said THAT im going to find my favorite youtube link to share apropos of nothing at all except i think its funny

o- the bbc ,taking into account jordan and syrian statistics, put the displaced person igures at 4.2 million the other day

last month it was 4 million

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/171.html

What do you think of this Victoria?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101801579_pf.html

I think that I agree with Krauthammer for once.

More good news compliments of our favorite terrorist state US_Israel.

More than 1.1 million Iraqis have been internally displaced...according to numbers gathered by the Iraqi Red Crescent and the International Organization for Migration. In addition, at least two million Iraqis have fled the country, with the majority heading to Syria and Jordan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/world/middleeast/19najaf.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

Hi Victoria,

Stay away from this YouTube nonsense my dear friend. It will rot your brain. Besides it’s just a bunch of happy horsesh*t. You know better than that.

might as well complete the set-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSDOb7NcgE&mode=related&search=

theres also a series on the federal reserve

thats strange- i posted 2 links and other words

but only one link and half the words showed up after my blog was held

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1x_h4Kfo&mode=related&search=

ok, i guess im not sleeping- that was pretty compelling-
heres the second

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMJ2LBK90Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1x_h4Kfo&mode=related&search=
and 3rd

ok, i guess im not sleeping- that was pretty compelling-
heres the second

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMJ2LBK90Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1x_h4Kfo&mode=related&search=
and 3rd

ok, i guess im not sleeping- that was pretty compelling-
heres the second

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMJ2LBK90Q&mode=related&search=

have you seen any of these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI
i only started but cant stay up-= ill watch them tomorrow-

also- did you see bush speak yesterday and mention world war 3 and then say that if anyone attacks israel they are attacking the US?

it had pundits spinning on their heads

actually i was looking for a vid of it-and came upon this instead

there are 4 for 911 and 5 for the federal reserve

its called zeitgeist and keeps getting pulled from youtube
peace

OK folks, let’s get back on topic.

And the question is: On the anniversary of 9/11, what message would you like to send terrorists?

Well here is the message for the terrorist states of the USA and Israel:

1. USA, get out of Iraq; leave Iraq to the Iraqis.
2. Israel, get out of Palestine; leave Palestine to the Palestinians.

Here is the map that is relevant:

http://www.ccmep.org/delegations/maps/palestine.html

The one on the left represents the relative ownership of Palestinian and Jewish land in 1946, prior to the illegitimate UN partition. Since, Palestine was not the UN’s to give away; this is the map we will go back to.

Here is a summary of the Brief History of Palestine:

http://www.cyberus.ca/~baker/pal_hist.htm

Note that just prior to the turn of the 20th century, the total population of Palestine was 500,000 of whom 47,000 were Jews who owned 0.5% of the land.

In 1917, at the time of the illegal and immoral Balfour Declaration, and after 22 years of Zionist immigration, the total population was 700,000 of which 56,000 (8%) were Jews.

In 1947, after 30 more years of Zionist immigration, the illegal UN partition of Palestine allocated 47% of the land to the Arab Palestinians who accounted for 70% of the population and owned 92% of the land.

In 2005, the Jewish population stood at about 5,200,000 (50.7%) compared to the 5,056,000 (49.3%) Arab Palestinian population.

So clearly, even Israelis can see that the only fair and equitable thing to do is to evacuate the 5,153,000 illegitimate Zionist Jews and descendents to Texas, leaving the Jewish population at the original legitimate 47,000 that were there at the turn of the 20th century. We could leave a few more than that to account for normal population growth demographics, without the illegal and immoral Zionist immigration.

Terrorists aren't funny, but terrorist jokes are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUmXpqIy4w

Moslims taking over America via the sword?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WqzYhs8NsxM

Moslims taking over America via the sword?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WqzYhs8NsxM

wow deb, if you and i can find accordance there may be hope for us all yet...

yes it does make good sense to me deb
peace

Victoria wrote:

"so- the point was made that the usa is acting in a very hypocritical way-
what say you?"

I have already made my disagreement with US policy on this issue. Every nation has a right to defend itself. USA cannot and should not in principle tell that attacked nation (in this case Turkey) on the specifics.

USA did decide to attack Iraq, for whatever reason it may be. USA did not listen to the wisdom of the European nations and UN. It made the case anyway - which was very sloppy. Why should it now make Turkey refrain from attacking the PKK militants ?

Well, I am not an expert on US foreign policy. But such positions do diminish USA's image and credibility. Other nations would start thinking that USA's policy is equivalent to: "All men are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Makes sense, Victoria ?

i stated-

"i think, even you, with your dislike of muslims in general- can see the base prejudice here"

well- thats not actually racist deb-
it may be an unfair observation on my part- but theres no racism implicit- just an accusation of dislike- i guess-
not the same thing at all

alright deb- point well taken- its the religion you hate and discredit at every opportunity, and not the people that you dislike

no problem-

ok- so sorry for offending your sensibilities-
since it is always muslims (including me) that you insult- it is difficult to make the distinction between the people you insult and the religion you insult-

so- the point was made that the usa is acting in a very hypocritical way-
what say you?

Victoria wrote:

"i think, even you, with your dislike of muslims in genreral- can see the base prejudice here"

That's really a racist remark, in my view, from you. I am not what you are writing here. I have no respect for a doctrine that I think is basically intolerant and violent.

I have no dislike of Muslims. They are humans as you and other non-Muslims. However, I have no patience with Islam. Its a doctrine of hate for non-Muslims. I dislike Islam. I dislike Maoism and Stalinism, but I don't hate Chinese and Russians.

exactly deb- usa did not bomb or punish germany for disagreeing with it.

but, turkey didnt disagree with the usa-
turkey is just acting in its own rights

and yet, the us decided in a congresional committee the other day to accuse turkey of genocide in armenia.

something turkey has contended that was a war with casualties on both sides.

NO ONE questions that ataturk had some crazy ideas about returning turkey to its "turkishness"

he eradicated the alphabet, and did the strangest population swap ever seen- whic made just about everybody unhappy-

turks whod lived in greece and surrpounding areas for generations were kicked out and returned to turkey

greeks and armenians whod lived in turkey for generations were kicked out

turkey invited scholars of any kind from all over the world 10 years ago, and had and does have all of its archives open to any who care to investigate it.

no one has bothered to accept that offer

the first president ofarmneia from the time mentioned-1915- wrote his autobiography-

his account as an armenian and leader wildly differs from the us opinion released

and the untied states has BANNED HIS BOOK FORM ENTERING US SHORES!!!!!!

do you find it possible that turkey is being punished and the us is abusing its strength
because turkey has elected all muslim leaders and has been proving itself a successful democracy?

on its own and without any input from the usa?

this "armenian genocide" happened 92 years ago!
in 1915!
and dont you think someone should have looked at those archives first? before making such a declaration?

why doesnt the usa call darfur a genocide?

i think, even you, with your dislike of muslims in genreral- can see the base prejudice here

Victoria:

If Turkey is gunning down PKK separatists who are killing the innocent, unarmed Turks, then that is good. A country's first obligation is to provide security to its own citizens regardless of color and creed. Foreign policy matters come later.

I am sorry, but I don't agree with USA's interference/advice/chastisement in Turkey's internal matters.

If USA disagrees with its ally, so be it. Germany's Gerhard Schroder disagreed with USA very strongly on the Iraq issue. So, what ? Did USA bomb Germany on that score ?

In a civilized democracy, envisioned by Thomas Jefferson, we all have equal rights to agree to disagree.

DEB- youve repeatedly condemned terrorists and have been strong in your support of anit-terrorist precautions.

what do you think about the US forbidding Turkey to pursue the PKK terrorists who just killed 15 soldiers across their own border into northern iraq?

do you think the Turks have the right to defend themselves against terroris attacks?

they have provided support, access, and strategic use of their land for the US and have been a stalwart ally.

This argument always leaves me disappointed in the human race as a whole. It always sounds like people are arguing over their favorite football or baseball team rather than defending their beliefs. Why must people try to press their beliefs onto to others?

Try this, believe in yourself and others, and the creator will help you all. Have faith in mankind as a whole and strive for good things for ALL, and the creator will help you all.

If you force the creator to take sides, then everyone loses. For he takes no sides. We are ALL his/her/it's children.

Peace

Religion is like a batch of prunes.

Ingest too much and it will always give you diarrhea.

Religion is like a batch of prunes.

Ingest too much and it will always give you diarrhea.

Religion is like a batch of prunes.

Ingest too much and it will always give you diarrhea.

Gentle Rick:

Israeli lobby is doing it right. Jews and Pagans (read Hindus) are the worst enemies of Islam as declared by Quran (005:082). It states

YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

That's why Jews and Hindus are the most hated by the Muslims. The Jews have, of course, fought back. The Hindus are cowards who cannot retaliate unlike what Hermit states as "overreaction". So, what Israeli lobby is doing by taking help of USA is good. Their good effort must be cherished, instead you are condmning them.

- gentile deb

HAHAHAHA - The Islamic Propaganda League is trying to take the light off their own crimes by pointing out all the ills of others.

Only problem is - though most all text have ancient and unsavory dictates:

It is Muslims who catch our attention by
acting like animals in the here and now.
Most others gave this up centuries ago.

Nice Try Desperadoes:

You're too funny!

And now, we return to today's "Lovely Talmud" episode. Enjoy!
A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave. Shabbath 86a-86b.
Besides the Talmud being a book promoting hate towards non-Jews, it also promotes violence and self torment on the Jews as well;

Victoria and Deb,

Here is a good article that highlights what should be the focus of the Islamaphobes: the Israeli Lobby that is pushing us over the edge of the abyss. Here are some excerpts:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=26308§ionid=3510302

‘In my analysis, which is shared, for example, by Ilan Pappe, Israel's leading “revisionist” (which means honest) historian, the answer is that it's mainly the Zionist tail that wags the American dog. As I demonstrate in my epic, two-volume book, Zionism: The Real Enemy of The Jews, it is a fact that, with the arguable exception of Lyndon Johnson, every American President, including the idiot in the White House at present, tried to draw red lines that Israel should not cross; and on most occasions Israel put two fingers up and crossed them.

There is no mystery about why the Zionist lobby (AIPAC plus) has such power. What passes for democracy in America is for sale to the highest bidder, and one of the highest bidders, and certainly the best organized and the most effective, is the Zionist lobby, now in association with Christian evangelical fundamentalism and parts if not all of the MIC (Military Industrial Complex). The Zionist lobby has three main weapons of influence:

- money, apparently unlimited, to fund election campaigns (candidates who offend Zionism can be and are destroyed - outspent);

- the organized Jewish vote in close election races (in half a dozen critical constituencies); and

- the use of the obscenity of the Nazi Holocaust as a blackmail card to silence criticism of Israel and suppress informed and honest debate. (On this front the Zionist lobby is assisted by the fact that, out of fear of offending Zionism, the mainstream media in America and throughout the mainly Gentile Judeo-Christian or Western world is complicit in Zionism's suppression of the truth of history. What, really, does the media fear? Punishment by the withdrawal of advertising revenue).’

“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)

“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)

I am a law-and-order conservative. I find this recent disclosure on WP,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100900791.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

quite disturbing. With clueless fools that are now at the helm in the GOP, such compromise of information is extremely sad and paints the "tough guy" (Uncle Sam) with a soft underbelly. This criticism assumes that the news in the link iks true, and not some propaganda.

What is the message to 9/11 terrorists ? Well, USA is clueless in defending itself and often engages in self-destructive acts.

Women Vote in Islam (1,500 years ago!)

When did the east or the west asked women for their vote?

No east no west, Islam is the best.

Quran 60:12

O Prophet! If believing women come unto thee, taking oath of allegiance unto thee that they will ascribe nothing as partner unto Allah, and will neither steal nor commit adultery nor kill their children, nor produce any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

"What West need to Know About Islam"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7MX8eksHM

Islam has declared war on the West..

Muhammed in the bible - Ahmed Deedat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hhazm0UdlTc

Women status in Quran & Bibles - Truthful Comparison

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L37ntR-9MI0

Status of Women in Islam Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wn0jJJ4qFuE

Status of Women in Islam Part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-LKgCvXCNHQ

Dear Humans,

Can you show me the word Judaism in the OT?
Can you show me the word Christianity in the OT/NT?

Why follow a religion whose name is absent from its own holly text?!

There is only one true religion: Islam.

Just follow the Holly Bible and it will show you the way.
Go back to the original text (bypassing the Evangelists!)

Here is my proof:

See Verse 16 in Ch 5 of Song of Songs at this location
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3005.htm

Look at the Hebrew text. You will see the Name Mohammad (מַחֲמַדִּים) there! Just remove the "i" (י) and "m" (ם) used for making a noun plural.

Follow Mohammad (in Hebrew מַחֲמַד )

For more, http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/Muhammad-in-Songs.htm

And now, we return to today's "Lovely Talmud" episode. Enjoy!

A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave. Shabbath 86a-86b.

Besides the Talmud being a book promoting hate towards non-Jews, it also promotes violence and self torment on the Jews as well;

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Insults Against Mary the Jew, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a who*e: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Mary the hairdresser," had s*x with many men.

Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840

"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."

"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."

A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.

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De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.

History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.

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Gibbon in 'The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' 1823

The good sense of Muhammad despised the pomp of royalty. The Apostle of God submitted to the menial offices of the family; he kindled the fire; swept the floor; milked the ewes; and mended with his own hands his shoes and garments. Disdaining the penance and merit of a hermit, he observed without effort of vanity the abstemious diet of an Arab.

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Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in ‘History of the Saracen Empire,’ London, 1870

"The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force."

“It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran....The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. ‘I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”

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Lane-Poole in 'Speeches and Table Talk of the Prophet Muhammad'

He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...

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Annie Besant in 'The Life and Teachings of Mohammad,' Madras, 1932.

It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knew how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel, whenever I reread them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.

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W.C. Taylor in 'The History of Muhammadanism and its Sects'

So great was his liberality to the poor that he often left his household unprovided, nor did he content himself with relieving their wants, he entered into conversation with them, and expressed a warm sympathy for their sufferings. He was a firm friend and a faithful ally.

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/What-non-Muslims-sayabout-Muhammad.htm

Reverend Bosworth Smith in 'Muhammad and Muhammadanism,' London, 1874.

"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

"In Mohammadanism every thing is different here. Instead of the shadowy and the mysterious, we have history....We know of the external history of Muhammad....while for his internal history after his mission had been proclaimed, we have a book absolutely unique in its origin, in its preservation....on the Substantial authority of which no one has ever been able to cast a serious doubt."

Edward Montet, 'La Propagande Chretienne et ses Adversaries Musulmans,' Paris 1890. (Also in T.W. Arnold in 'The Preaching of Islam,' London 1913.)

"Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically....the teachings of the Prophet, the Qur'an has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur a majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam....A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the consciences of men."

Dr. Gustav Weil in 'History of the Islamic Peoples'

Muhammad was a shining example to his people. His character was pure and stainless. His house, his dress, his food - they were characterized by a rare simplicity. So unpretentious was he that he would receive from his companions no special mark of reverence, nor would he accept any service from his slave which he could do for himself. He was accessible to all and at all times. He visited the sick and was full of sympathy for all. Unlimited was his benevolence and generosity as also was his anxious care for the welfare of the community.

Alphonse de LaMartaine in 'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854.

"Never has a man set for himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, since this aim was superhuman; to subvert superstitions which had been imposed between man and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore the rational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfigured gods of idolatry, then existing. Never has a man undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeble means, for he (Muhammad) had in the conception as well as in the execution of such a great design, no other instrument than himself and no other aid except a handful of men living in a corner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lasting revolution in the world, because in less than two centuries after its appearance, Islam, in faith and in arms, reigned over the whole of Arabia, and conquered, in God's name, Persia Khorasan, Transoxania, Western India, Syria, Egypt, Abyssinia, all the known continent of Northern Africa, numerous islands of the Mediterranean Sea, Spain, and part of Gaul.

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws, and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls.

"On the basis of a Book, every letter which has become law, he created a spiritual nationality which blend together peoples of every tongue and race. He has left the indelible characteristic of this Muslim nationality the hatred of false gods and the passion for the One and Immaterial God. This avenging patriotism against the profanation of Heaven formed the virtue of the followers of Muhammad; the conquest of one-third the earth to the dogma was his miracle; or rather it was not the miracle of man but that of reason.

"The idea of the unity of God, proclaimed amidst the exhaustion of the fabulous theogonies, was in itself such a miracle that upon it's utterance from his lips it destroyed all the ancient temples of idols and set on fire one-third of the world. His life, his meditations, his heroic revelings against the superstitions of his country, and his boldness in defying the furies of idolatry, his firmness in enduring them for fifteen years in Mecca, his acceptance of the role of public scorn and almost of being a victim of his fellow countrymen: all these and finally, his flight his incessant preaching, his wars against odds, his faith in his success and his superhuman security in misfortune, his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold the unity of God and the immateriality of God: the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in 'Young India,'1924.

I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.

Rick,

Its rawmeat alright. I have some news for you, again.

Please check out the two links from Times of India that comments about the Talibanization of some pockets in India.

The actual story is at the link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2437712.cms

The next interesting are the comments on this news by some Muslims and non-Muslims and one of them is a Muslim woman (like Victoria) and settled in USA. Read these comments at:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/2437712.cms#top0

Well, what do you think ? I am just making it up about "moderate Muslims" ?

P.S.: For some reason, my posts from yesterday don't show up on this blog. Maybe I am being censored.

I Am speechless!!!!

Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud

"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."
"Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII

The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People":

O My GOD!!!

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."

Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

Jewish children send 'love' messages
to Lebanese children
Pictures!!!

look at the real terrorists!

http://www.radioislam.org/jewish-photos/index.htm

Women. Judaism, and Islam

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/women-Judaism-and-Islam/