Barry Lynn and Stephen Prothero Debate: Should Religion Be Taught in Public Schools?
Barry Lynn and Stephen Prothero Debate: Should Religion Be Taught in Public Schools?



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MODREN SCIENCE AND QURAN (ISLAMIC DIVINE BOOK)
Quran is not a book of science BUT a book of signs. It has more than 6000 verses out of which more than 1000 verses giving CLEAR signs about the modern scientific proven facts in recent couple of hundred years. (THIS BY ANY POSSIBLE MEANS CANNOT BE SAID BY US HUMANS 1400 YEARS BACK. THE ONLY LOGIC IS THAT IT’S FROM SOME “ONE” WHO PURPOSELY COMMUNICATING TO A HUMANS AND KNOWS BETTER THAN HUMANS)
- For some people ONE sign is enough to believe.
- For some people 10 signs are enough.
- But some people don't come to believe even after more than 1000 miraculous signs.
Verses about:
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2- Geo spherical Ostrich egg shaped earth (spherical which is the exact shape)
3- Cosmic dust (referred more perfectly as smoke).
4- How water seep into the earth and rain cycle through AIR.
5- Sweet and salt water of oceans and barrier between them.
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7- Earth, sun and stars revolving on their axis and path (orbits).
8- Sun and moon have different paths (orbits).
9- Sun and stars consuming there energy.
10- Reflected sun light of moon. In Arabic mooneer (moon) it self means reflected light.
11- Upper thin layer of earth, which is hold by mountains as nails (bigger in size deep in earth) from shacking.
12- Perfect shape and stages of human embryo.
13- All living being made out of water.
14- All plants and even fruits have male and female attributes.
15- The exact way of plants and animal’s behavior and how they communicate.
AND MANY MORE............
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Dear Indie,
In one line, read Quran with understanding and it will open your heart.
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And dear true believe is a journey sometime with lots of hick-ups and mistakes. And can only be achieved with Allah's Will.
March 2, 2008 6:01 AM | Report Offensive Comments
We have religious education in the UK and if anything I think it helps foster understanding and respect for other religions. I believe that ignorance is the key factor in breeding hatred of others and misinformation is another one.
March 2, 2008 1:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
For a nation's ultimate success, moral values are necessary. I have lived in another country for 2 years and have seen what a society is like in which few, if any, of its citizens respect the laws of the land while leaving aside moral values - like those taught in the Bible and other religious texts. It's not good. I admit that there are too many religions for us to focus on one or even many of them in a classroom setting. I like the idea posted earlier of teaching the history of religion. There could be included in a curriculum a brief overview of some of the largest branches of religion in our world today (Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, etc.)
Many teens (and adults) do not care for religion - something I find frightening. Atheism is something our founding fathers feared yet tolerated. It is to be tolerated, but I believe a safe and prosperous country must be built upon the foundations of moral values. Whether helping achieve this means teaching about religion in school or by some other means, it needs to be addressed.
March 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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October 20, 2007 3:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
We might settle a lot of mis-information, if we taught the truth about religion in the history of our country. The first lesson should identify the "Founding Fathers" (no Founding Mothers you will note) as mostly slave-holders. We did not see fit to correct this un-Christian condition until we had been a nation for about a hundred years. Women were prevented from voting (again by "Fathers"), until 1915. Blacks were not assured the right to vote until the Voting Rights Act. We can explain this, I guess, by noting that the Bible does not say much against the evil practice of slavery. Also, to further confuse the students,we might note that those who defend the "right-to-life" are pretty much in favor of the death penalty.
October 19, 2007 6:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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October 19, 2007 9:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
I think that Glenda Thomas is wrong. How would religion POLLUTE the mind of the young? Religion gives young people something to depend on and to grow with. It's a way of life, not a fad. Society today is way more liable to pollute minds more than any religion would.
April 4, 2007 1:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
The founders taught that the United States was founded on "general Christianity," that are those principles that all sects of Christianity believe in, namely morality as it stood among all Christian sects in the 18th century.
Whatever Thomas Jefferson's feelings about Trinitarian Christianity were, he supported the role of religion in society for the sake of public morality.
He wrote the following in an 1814 letter to Thomas Law:
"When [the moral sense] is wanting, we endeavor to supply the defect by education, by appeals to reason and calculation, by presenting to the being so unhappily conformed, other motives to do good and to eschew evil, such as the love, or the hatred, or the rejection of those among whom he lives, and whose society is necessary to his happiness and even existence…. These are the correctives which are supplied by education, and which exercise the functions of the moralist, the preacher, and legislator; and they lead into a course of correct action all those whose depravity is not too profound to be eradicated."
John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, dated June 28, 1813, wrote that the “general principles of Christianity, in which all sects were united” were at the heart of the maintenance of American “liberty and independence.”
In Reynolds v. U.S., Justice Stephen Johnson Field interpreted Jefferson's statement regarding the wall of separation between Church and State as meaning that "Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order."
The founders' aim with the establishment clause was, at the time, to prevent one single sect of Christianity from taking over at the expense of other sects. The Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, etc.
If the Bible is taught in schools, it should be an elective combined with instructional materials that teach about the Bible, its place in Western civilization and it shouldn't be done in a manner favoring any particular sect. As America becomes more secular, it becomes more intolerant of Christian belief, especially traditional belief. It shouldn't be handled in a way that seeks to make converts, but that seeks to help those who don't believe at least respect those who do.
As a Catholic convert from Protestantism, I wouldn't want my children instructed in a Protestant interpretation of the Bible, nor a Jew for that matter. It would be of benefit, though, to teach what each sect believes about the books of the Bible, Jews included, for the sake of mutual tolerance and respect. Respect most of all.
Anti-Christian prejudice is something if face daily, as do my friends, who bear the brunt of Anti-Christian scoffing from friends, co-workers and family members. When I worked for a newspaper in the Washington, D.C., area that shall remain nameless, my beliefs, especially about sexuality, were constantly mocked. My friend who works for the Library of Congress called me the other day completely upset because his co-workers were laughing at him for being "so religious." Christians do not have a monopoly on intolerance.
In 1811 the New York State Supreme Court provided the following commentary in 1811 while Jefferson and Madison were still living in People v. Ruggles:
"It is sufficient that the common law checks upon words and actions, dangerous to the public welfare, apply to our case, and are suited to the condition of this and every other people whose manners are refined, and whose morals have been elevated and inspired with a more enlarged benevolence, by means of the christian religion...Though the constitution has discarded religious establishments, it does not forbid judicial cognisance of those offences against religion and morality which have no reference to any such establishment, or to any particular form of government, but are punishable because they strike at the root of moral obligation, and weaken the security of the social ties. The object of the 38th article of the constitution, was, to "guard against spiritual oppression and intolerance," by declaring that "the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, should for ever thereafter be allowed within this state, to all mankind." This declaration, (noble and magnanimous as it is, when duly understood,) never meant to withdraw religion in general, and with it the best sanctions of moral and social obligation from all consideration and notice of the law. It will be fully satisfied by a free and universal toleration, without any of the tests, disabilities, or discriminations, incident to a religious establishment. To construe it as breaking down the common law barriers against licentious, wanton, and impious attacks upon christianity itself, would be an enormous perversion of its meaning. The proviso guards the article from such dangerous latitude of construction, when it declares, the "the liberty of conscience hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace and safety of this state." The preamble and this proviso are a species of commentary upon the meaning of the article, and they sufficiently show that the framers of the constitution intended only to banish test oaths, disabilities and the burdens, and sometimes the oppressions, of church establishments; and to secure to the people of this state, freedom from coercion, and an equality of right, on the subject of religion. This was no doubt the consummation of their wishes."
13 years later the Pennsylvania Supreme Court reached a similar decision in Updegraph v. Commonwealth.
“…the assertion is once more made, that Christianity never was received as part of the common law of this Christian land; and it is added, that if it was, it was virtually repealed by the constitution of the United States, and of this state, as inconsistent with the liberty of the people, the freedom of religious worship… Christianity, general Christianity, is, and always has been, a part of the common law of Pennsylvania… the constitution of the United States has made no alteration, nor in the great body of the laws which was an incorporation of the common law doctrine of Christianity, as suited to the condition of the colony, and without which no free government can long exist.”
The idea that religion should be private matter was not countenanced by either the legislative or judicial branches prior to the 1947 Everson case. In fact, the view about religion that most liberals seem to embrace has more in common with Lenin than Jefferson.
In 1905 Vladimir Lenin wrote: " Religion must be declared a private affair…Religion must be of no concern to the state, and religious societies must have no connection with governmental authority."
The issue here really isn't whether there should be separation of church and state, but whose interpretation should be used.
March 19, 2007 6:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Teaching religion in a US school would end the very moment a Druid or Wiccan had their turn.
However, it would be a good idea to teach the history of religion. If looked at historically, we notice how man's religions evolved as his needs evolved. Which one of the thousands of religions man has invented is the "real" one?
Such realizations just might counter any notions of Absolute Truth.
March 15, 2007 12:17 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Daveb, Bush didn't care anything about religion when he went into Iraq. His Father knew the mess it would cause and stayed out. It was all about oil and halliburton. If you think otherwise you are fooling yourself. Teaching Bush anything would not have changed a thing. I do agree with the writers who say make comparative religion a college course. I know a lot about other religions because I stick my head out my office door and ask a person of that faith what it's all about. As in christianity, I get differing answers. Teaching the bible in public school will enrich certain people at the great expense of our society.
March 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Good point Frank, The matter of which would be left up to the person doing the teaching. I don't trust that teachers will be able to put their personal views aside and do a fair job of teaching the bible without their own bias coming into play. This is the old nose of the camel in the tent thing. Once the bible is allowed into our public schools then all hell will break loose. The court systems will be ti ed up for ever trying to make sense out of it all. The best thing is to keep the bible in the churches and homes and not subject to abuse by otherwise people with "good intention"
March 14, 2007 2:10 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Your missing the point Frank, the TEACHER will determine what religion will be taught. If a teacher is an evangelical fundamentalist, then that is the slant the bible will be taught from. If you don't think that is true than you are living in a daydream. High schools have enough problem today without throwing gas and a match into their classrooms. You bible proponents just want to take over the world and think the best way to do it by indoctrinating the kids More children raise in strict christian homes are giving it up when getting out on their own. So all teaching the bible will accomplish is turning more people off to it.
March 14, 2007 2:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Why don't we focus on teaching students to be resourceful individuals. They don't need a class on religions, per se, but if a question comes up about a religion, then they should be able to look it up and learn about it. They're obviously not going to come out of pubic schools knowing every bit of information there is to know. But they should at least graduate with skills that enable them to learn about the different groups of people that inhabit the world with them, including their religious views.
March 14, 2007 1:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I find any talk of the "academic and social value" of teaching the Bible in school to be highly disingenuous. While religious texts are without question valuable both spiritually and literarily, they are used much of the time to damn those who don't accept their literal truth. I think a search of souls might reveal that this entire argument about religion in schools has always been about WINNING. It has nothing whatsoever to do with education.
As we are discovering (over and over...) religion can be one of the greatest forces for evil in the world and needs to be taught with great heart and conscious by parents and religious leaders. Why would we want to put this in the hands of our teachers? After all, many of the Bible-pushers won't even trust teachers to inform their kids how not to become pregnant.
To the religious I would offer respect and challenge them to educate their children themselves in matters of the soul. Who better than YOU to lead your children along a righteous path?
March 14, 2007 1:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I believe this is one part of history that will be remembered as the wake up of the mind. I have been a christian(hard core) all my life until recently. I went to a christian school until 11th grade. And went to a non-christian college, to find out that I knew nothing about astronomy, biology, among others, but I knew a lot about the bible. What a waste of time!. I think we should concentrate how to bring the best education to make our youth ready for a challenging future. Look how much we are advancing and learning new things every day: the cosmos, the human body, the earth. We're discovering amazing things. We should support the advancement of science to help the earth, and put the bible teaching as part of history where it belongs, and call what is fact, fact and what is myth, myth. I recommend a wonderful historical book called: "The great transformation" by Karen Armstrong.
"Religion as we know it will end or Religion will end us"
March 14, 2007 1:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I would have liked the opportunity in High School to sample the various denominations of Christianity as well as learn more about other religions. As a product of one of the best public school systems in the country, I'm woefully ignorant of the differences between the sects.
On the other hand, I don't see how it would be possible to present a systemically unbiased presentation of those religions. Isn't that part and parcel to the reason we seperated church and state to begin with?
Perhaps an answer lies with deliberately inviting biased proponents to present guest lectures on their preferred relgions, one class-day for each. No testing or standards would be possible, but at least the students would have an opportunity for cultural exposure.
March 14, 2007 1:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
It's too bad that those of us who aren't religious zealots even need to waste time and energy debating this topic. Instead, we need to focus on tolerance of other people's personal views - views that don't need to be addressed in the public schools.
March 14, 2007 1:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I'm a deeply religious person - Mainstream religion in America has become political and it is disgusting.
There should never be a single mention of any religious nature in public schools below the college level. What is impoortant in school is we create a pool of Americans highly educated in the english language, science, math, and world history. Only these subjects can prepare our nation's future leaders to be productive members of society.
Religion belongs at home and in the church - NOT in public education.
PERIOD
March 14, 2007 1:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Glenda, Karl Marx and you have something in common.
March 14, 2007 1:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I'm a deeply religeous person - and feel there is no human in America fit to represent me before my maker. Mainstream religion in America has become political and it is disgusting.
There should never be a single mention of any religeous nature in public schools below the college level. What is impoortant in school is we create a pool of Americans highly educated in the english language, science, math, and world history. Only these subjects can prepare our nation's future leaders to be productive members of society.
Religeon belongs at home and in the church - NOT in public education.
PERIOD
March 14, 2007 1:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
As an American high school student, I find this prospect horrifying. While it is true that teenagers today know a shockingly small amount about the world as a whole, the idea of a religion class just makes me cringe. First of all, many people do not take kindly to a critical analysis of their religion. Also, most teenagers flat out don't even care about their schools or education- I feel as if a lot of effort teaching them about the world is wasted. Also, why so much talk about 'which version of the bible' and all of that? If this is a world religion course that should be taught in public schools, it goes so much beyond that- teaching the literature and history associated with religions...reading the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran, the Upanishads, and so many other works. Really, I think things like that are far more important than the Bible in this context.
March 14, 2007 1:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Good point Frank, The matter of which would be left up to the person doing the teaching. I don't trust that teachers will be able to put their personal views aside and do a fair job of teaching the bible without their own bias coming into play. This is the old nose of the camel in the tent thing. Once the bible is allowed into our public schools then all hell will break loose. The court systems will be ti ed up for ever trying to make sense out of it all. The best thing is to keep the bible in the churches and homes and not subject to abuse by otherwise people with "good intention"
March 14, 2007 1:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
If Americans knew more about religion, we would be much better off. (A president who knew anything at all about religion in Iraq would have forseen the consequences of trying force democracy there.) But I say, anyone who knows anything about religion in the US should foresee the consequences of trying to teach religion rationally in the public schools. To borrow an expression from the noble game of pool, "The shot ain't on the table."
March 14, 2007 1:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
exactly what specific religion does reading the bible establish? when the establishment clause was written it was generally about catholics vs anglican vs other christian religions. so what specific religion does studying the bible establish? NONE! there as so many religions that are based on the bible that none of them can claim that reading it makes the reader any one of those religions. even islam says it is based on the bible.
March 14, 2007 1:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I think religion polutes the mind of the young.
March 14, 2007 11:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments