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Religion in the Media

The mass media does not treat religion fairly in news and entertainment programs.

Journalists are imperfect and can’t be totally objective.

The Bible gives additional insight:

1John 5:10: 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

Revelation 12:9 : … the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan… is misleading the entire inhabited earth ….

Certainly Satan is not interested in anyone learning the truth about God or his purposes. If someone is searching for the truth about God and his purposes, they would need to do an honest study of the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:16: 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

John 17:17: Jesus said: 17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

Now who is the FATHER OF ALL DEVILS ?
Rightly said by Iranian President before US mad bushy bush use the words axe.o.e.

AND this is the kind of LIBRATION AND FREEDOM your SECULAR, CAPTILIST, DEMOCARTE, CORPORATE MONSTOR ADMINISTRATION ESTABLISHMENT is providing to the world NOW for more than half century. YOU ARE SO PROUD OF.

GREEDY INTOLRATE ANIMALS!!!!!

WITH MORE INFO.:

CCNL,
Now the World is fully aware of USA
1- Pentagon military organization "Chaos Theory" all over the world to support its Weapon Industry with more than 18000 fighter plans and more than 1800 war ships IN SERVICE which ALONE IS BIGGEST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD WEAPON INDUSTRIES & ARMS IN SERVICE COLLECTIVELY including Russia, China, India, Europe, NATO etc. And responsible of supplying illegal weapons all over the world FUELING ALL KIND OF BLOOD SHED ESPECIALLY IN CONTINENT OF AFRICA & MIDDLE EAST.
2- And USA White House civilian government "Conspiracy theory" to support its advances to control world resources.
Your and your Govt. credibility SUCKS.
Liars and conspirers!!!
Your pentagon driven Media conspires and All US dumb heads do is just follow the media slogans.
For example:
YOU and your stupid Bushy Bush call Iran Exe of Evil.
If some body with the slightest sense analysis. IRAN HAS NEVER SHOWN AGGRESSION WITH ANY BODY IN LAST 250 YEARS. It was puppet Saddam of Iraq who attacked Iran on his USA bushy master administration behalf.
IRAN HARDLY HAS ANY AIR FORCE & NAVY.
But USA mad administrative dogs talk about what if Iran will acquire nuck. They haven't yet.
This reason is so STUPID. The question is....
What about Pakistan already nuclear with ability to deliver.
What about Korea WHO THREATEN US RIGHT AT ITS FACE, what about Russia.
What about Mad Israel. Which is REAL THREAT WITH NUCKS to the whole Muslim world. If one look according to the MAD USA ADMINISTRATION PROSPECTIVE!!!
IT IS AGAIN PENTAGON + WHITE HOUSE driven Chaos and Conspiracy theory by Zionist controlled Media and stupid US masses again ONLY REPEATING media words like axe of evil, shia sunni, Iran Arabs bla bla bla without putting any burdon OR strain on there brains to once try to think REALISTICLY, same way like they believed in there Tyrant Rulers when there Rulers bluntly lied about EVERY THING to attack Iraq and Afghanistan.

Now the World is fully aware of USA
1- Pentagon military organization Chaos Theory all over the world to support its Weapon Industry which ALONE IS BIGGEST THEN THE REST OF THE WORLD WEAPON INDUSTRIES COLLECTIVELY including Russia, China, India, Europe etc. And responsible of supplying illegal weapons all over the world.
2- And USA White House civilian government Conspiracy theory to support its advances to control world resources.
Your and your Govt. credibility SUCKS.
Liars and conspirers!!!
Your pentagon driven Media conspires and All US dumb head do is just follow the media slogans.
For example:
YOU and your stupid Bushy Bush call Iran Exe of Evil.
If some body with the slightest sense analysis. Iran has never shown aggression with ANY BODY in last 250 years. It was puppet Saddam of Iraq who attacked Iran on his USA bushy master administration behalf.
Iran hardly has any air force or navy.
But USA mad administrative dogs talk about what if Iran will acquire nuck. They haven't yet.
This reason is so STUPID. The question is....
What about Pakistan already nuclear with ability to deliver.
What about Korea, what about Russia.
What about Mad Israel. Which is REAL THREAT WITH NUCKS to the whole Muslim world. If one look according to the MAD USA PROSPECTIVE!!!
IT IS AGAIN PENTAGON + WHITE HOUSE driven Chaos and Conspiracy theory driven by Zionist controlled Media and stupid US masses again ONLY REPEATING media words like axe of evil, shia sunni, Iran Arabs bla bla bla without putting any burdon of strain on there brains to once try to think REALISTICLY, same why like they believed in there Tyrant Rulers when there Rulers bluntly lied about EVERY THING to attack Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Title: Investigations of Consciousness and the Unseen World – Proof of an Afterlife?
Dates: January 19-20, 2008
Location: Cowell Theater at Fort Mason Center, San Francisco, CA
Admission: $225-$275
Conference Website: www.foreverfamilyfoundation.org/SanFrancisco.htm

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on your bassis of "fact" Mr. Murray,

all substances known to mankind or studied by mankind

can be found within the electro magnetic spectrum

that is existance

the human sensory organs can only detect an infinitismal spectrum of this.

when i say inifinitismal, in the EMS the frequencey range is inifinte, so even if we had a relatively large capability, it would still be relatively nonexisnat literrally, is everyone comfortable so far?

try to think of the highest possible number your mind can comprehend, this is infinitismally small and limiting when compared to something with no end and no begining...

so to think 1 or 100000000 is exactly the same in scope, thats how big we are talking

similarly, every thought of every human being, has a frequencey within this, so for the very fact that it is thought, literrally gives something existance of a nature that we can only imagine..

literally

hmm spell chek? nahh

anyways....

so, perhaps a man might believe in what science holds as fact,

and now that we have a gentle understanding of infiniti lets use it in an even more

literall

context. In Science, and almost every Religion,
it is aknowledged that the Universe, Creation or what have you is infinite, i believe the current theory is that of an infinite number of big bangs

And mankind has been around for how long?

hmm, lets put this into perspective,
of all lifeforms on earth, mankind is the single most ineffective of all....

yes, despite your laptod and sophisticated ipod, and yes despite, string theory of our wise "scientatheists"

A single celled organism is more effective at the most basic life function, the functions shared by all the billions of lifeforms that have flourished on this itty bitty earth

and that is to live

and men are still asking the purpose of life?

everything seeks life and creates life
voluntary destruction of life for means other than pure survival only occurs in primates of sucessively "higher intelligence"

we mimick a virus in practically every conscious function, the only thing we share with mamalia are subconscious physiological processes....

and we go a step ahead...

we actually kill each other to....

and this is done with the power of choice. That is how mankind has used the gift of free will via God, or the cognitive function of the brain, Allah, Shiva Shakti....

you name it...

Whomever gave it to us or how we got it is unknown, what is known is that we have it...

its because people kill, maim, and argue on the washington post theyre "beliefs"

doing the most unnatural

literally

thing that life does over something translucent.

show me a belief? you cant, you cant touch it either...

it has no substance, it is literally invisible....
it is an illusion and has no substance beyond what a human beings gives it, and thats enough to argue?

I, I, I that selfish elusion called the ego

me me me...

literally...

im guilty of it to, look what im writing?
im workin on it tho....
trying to find people with open minds...

but people think small you know?

I have my own beiliefs, theyr mine and mine alone and they will remain so, so im not about to say yours is wrong...

Science has or will discover existance of God
or develope a theory of everything vs. reality and existance is a pink baloon with a smiley face

odds-50/50

literally,

If we all died tomorrown, every man women and child. Human kind would cease. A flash in the pan...

and the sun would still rise, the stars still shine in the sky.....existance itslef would not change one iota....

so if anyone suffers here folks, its all our fault.

noone is to blame...

so if your sitting arguing with each other
bible thumber or darwinist

no matter how "good" or "ethical" or "factual" or
"informed" you might "believe" yourself to be, you are just another blind man yelling outloud......

again like im doin it myself..

"I CANT SEE"

you know whats funny to about God, is that if we take him by his namesake

whateve existance is, it does exist, so everything that is existance, includes every thought, action, substance, pen, absolutely everything, including our "sciences" in written and mental form of

Everything, is happeining right now, there is a sum total and it inludes everything, including what we deem intelligence so that makes whatever it is pretty darn intelligent if you ask me....

oh and time doesnt exist it is a concept, or "belief" That was developed by the limited human mind to put our meager existance into perspective because the brain of a human being is simply not capable of handling infiniti, because it is FINIT

literrally

I know what you all believe, and guess what its all foolish inluding mine. You all beileve nothing, because it is imaginary.

so who was right again?

think small and you will know small,
friend.

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someone on this board proposed the hypothetical idea of Passover lasting a month. i have to say that i probably wouldn't last more than a few days observing the dietary restrictions if that were the case. not eating certain foods for a certain period of time makes me irritable. a week is long enough, a month...i don't even want to think about it.

i agree with th posters who state religions should be able to hold up under criticism without cries from its adherents-

i invite anyone to look at the blogs of the muslim panelists, taylor and patel and muslim friendly esposito, and see the extreme venom poured out against islam, and the always reasonable and calm responses by muslims despite overt and vicious attacks.

Can we afford to ignore religion any longer?


Two thousand years have transpired since the birth of Christ and approximately 1400 years since Mohammad. We have spent the last two thousand years without questioning the validity of religion or a god or gods. Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all on a collision path. Isn't it about time that we took a more critical look at all religion and did some analytical thinking about it?

We could begin by asking why do we have a religion, what is the value of participating in a religion and why do we look to a god or gods? We tend to accept our individual religions and our gods based on pure faith and faith alone. We don't ask for fact or data to support an existence of a god or anything else relating to religion. Why do we not ask for factual data to support the existence of a god and/or the stories in the Bible and the Qur'an? Christian's even use the term "You can accept it as the Gospel" or the word of god. But why should we accept it as the "Gospel". The "Gospel" has no basis in fact nor can it in any way be supported by fact.

To accept something as important as this solely on faith with no basis of fact is just not rational. It doesn't do any good to ignore the subject and say just let everyone do their own thing. We can't afford to ignore religion any longer or fail to address the subject. I say this because religion has been a major cause of conflict around the world for centuries and is still the primary source of conflict today.

Just think about it. How can we accept a god and religion on faith alone? If someone told a wife or husband that their spouse was running around on them the husband or wife would ask for proof but most people don't ask for or expect proof when someone mentions a god, an immaculate conception, angels floating around with wings or being taken away to heaven on a horse with wings.

For two thousand years we have had religious conflict and we still look to fables or stories written over 1400 years ago in the case of the Koran and two thousand years ago with the new testament. Many continue to accept these stories without question. Have we not learned anything about the pitfalls of religion over the last two thousand years? We have learned many other things over the centuries such as the earth is not flat and that we no longer have to burn women at the stake for being witches because they caused storms. Yet we have failed to question the same fairy tales, myths and beliefs in the Qur'an and Bible that are thousands of years old.

We must address the subject and soon because we are fast approaching world wide religious conflict of a magnitude not previously seen. We all must question the validity of our gods and religion or we may find ourselves living with the disastrous consequences of our failure to ask the necessary questions. The world may yet be destroyed using nuclear weapons in a religious war. We can no longer afford to ignore the numerous conflicts around the world among different religious groups and the radical thinking associated with so many religions. We, on earth, had better wake up to the dangers of religious thinking and question the very nature of religion and its beliefs before it is too late.

But then again it may already be too late.

The On Faith blog is unique with respect to its large panel of religious scholars with commentaries of said panelists made each week. It is therefore a blog of many blogs.

Posting the same personal commentary with occasional "excerpting" to prove a point on these many blogs is perfectly acceptable in providing a response to these panelists' weblogs opinions about the question of the week. It is akin to sending the same letter-to-the-editor to twenty different newspapers. Newspaper editors do not accept "copy and pasters" of existing information.

I especially dislike the idea that we are not allowed to have a healthy discussion of the issues for fear of upsetting someone's faith. Faith should not be immune from criticism. I am also surprised that Christians claim to ready and study the Bible all the time, and yet they don't know it very well.

In my opinion, Concerned, cutting and posting the same long harangue on multiple boards is equally obnoxious.

In other words, "Physician, heal thyself."

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." was a quote by George Bush Senior.

"Blog hogging" by copying and pasting long harangues or quotes is considered poor blog etiquette.

Please reference the source of the harangues or quotes e.g. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/quotes.html instead of copying and pasting and taking up valuable commentary space.

I for one know that if I were a Chrisian, I would be embarrassed to have those two speak for me. Heck, I am not a christian and am still embarrassed by it. It's just sad.

Ron, I yield to no one in my revulsion of Pat Robertston's statements. Still, I think you're incorrect in saying that his ugly ideas embody Christian values. I have had many Christians tell me that they find him an embarrassment to their faith.

I hope you put those quotes in there as a sarcastic bit Ron. Bush and Robertson continue to show how out of touch they are and why the people don't need to listen to them. comments like that just push this country back and don't do any good for anyone around.

Some great moments in Christian values. Would someone please give me quotes from atheist leaders in the media that are just as enlightening?

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

- George Bush

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"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"

from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.
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"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

-Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

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"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

-Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
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(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
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"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

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"The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement...We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," September 27, 1993.
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"I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states...I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party...I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts...They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose."
-Pat Robertson, Washington Post, June 27,1986)

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"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore."

-Pat Robertson, November 1993 during an address to the American Center for Law and Justice
________________________________________

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."

-Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96
________________________________________

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93
________________________________________

"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 10/29/82

________________________________________

"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."

-Ralph Reed Los Angeles Times, 3/22/92
________________________________________

I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag."

-Ralph Reed, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, 11/9/91

Some great moments in Christian values. Would someone please give me quotes from atheist leaders in the media that are just as enlightening?

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

- George Bush

------

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"

from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.
---------
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

-Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

------
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

-Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
-----

(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
------

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

------

"The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement...We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," September 27, 1993.
----

"I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states...I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party...I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts...They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose."
-Pat Robertson, Washington Post, June 27,1986)

----
"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore."

-Pat Robertson, November 1993 during an address to the American Center for Law and Justice
________________________________________

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."

-Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96
________________________________________

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93
________________________________________

"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 10/29/82

________________________________________

"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."

-Ralph Reed Los Angeles Times, 3/22/92
________________________________________

I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag."

-Ralph Reed, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, 11/9/91

Some great moments in Christian values. Would someone please give me quotes from atheist leaders in the media that are just as enlightening?

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

- George Bush

------

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"

from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.
---------
"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

-Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

------
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

-Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
-----

(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
------

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

------

"The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement...We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," September 27, 1993.
----

"I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states...I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party...I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts...They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose."
-Pat Robertson, Washington Post, June 27,1986)

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"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore."

-Pat Robertson, November 1993 during an address to the American Center for Law and Justice
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"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."

-Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96
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"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93
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"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 10/29/82

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"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."

-Ralph Reed Los Angeles Times, 3/22/92
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I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag."

-Ralph Reed, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, 11/9/91

Some great moments in Christian values. Would someone please give me quotes from atheist leaders in the media that are just as enlightening?

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

- George Bush

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"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"

from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.
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"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

-Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986

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"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

-Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
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(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
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"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

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"The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement...We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," September 27, 1993.
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"I am bound by the laws of the United States and all 50 states...I am not bound by any case or any court to which I myself am not a party...I don't think the Congress of the United States is subservient to the courts...They can ignore a Supreme Court ruling if they so choose."
-Pat Robertson, Washington Post, June 27,1986)

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"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore."

-Pat Robertson, November 1993 during an address to the American Center for Law and Justice
________________________________________

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."

-Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96
________________________________________

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93
________________________________________

"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it."

-Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 10/29/82

________________________________________

"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."

-Ralph Reed Los Angeles Times, 3/22/92
________________________________________

I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag."

-Ralph Reed, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, 11/9/91

177 Annual Righteous Fest

What accounts for the very, very righteous tone of LDS General Conference? Every prayer is prayed with the same tone that is very, very righteous. Every talk is spoken in contrite tones of meekness and pure love. You can feel righteousness dripping off every word. Each phrase has its corners turned down in an evermore hushed and quite tone. A raised emphasis is never elevated or strident. And the singing is just divine. All like angels always.

So why are the heavens wanting to heave? Why does the earth want to vomit and cover herself? Why do the angels lose continence every time Mormons sputter their strained refrains? They also know the keys to detect the spirits in all cases under the whole heavens.

Doctrine and Covenants 52:14-19
14. And again, I will give unto you a pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving the nations--
15 Wherefore he that prayeth, whose spirit is contrite, the same is accepted of me if he obey mine ordinances.
16. He that speaketh, whose spirit is contrite whose language is meek and edifieth, the same is of God if he obey mine ordinances.
17. And again, he that trembleth under my power shall be made strong, and shall bring forth fruits of praise and wisdom according to the revelations and truths which I have given you.
18 And again, he that is overcome and bringeth not forth fruits, even according to this pattern is not of me.
19. Wherefore, by this pattern ye shall know the spirits in all cases under the whole heavens.

A template from God to convince people that you are of God, what more could Satan ask for than that? If the Mormons are faking this pattern and speak in meekness just to pass themselves off as true servants of God, who shake their own voices to pretend to tremble under the power of God, even though they are giving prewritten and rehearsed readings of their talks, thusly deceiving the very elect, how then is this pattern reliable and true?

There is that one precious part of the pattern that mostly goes unnoticed and certainly untested.
IF THEY OBEY MINE ORDINANCES!

LDS authorities can fake the meekness and contrite tones and shake their voices as if the power of God is mightily upon them and cry or nearly cry in heart filled emotion and yet be Satans themselves all the while, if they fail to obey the ordinances of God. Christ witnessed in the Book of Mormon that anything more or less than what he commands comes of evil and is built upon a sandy foundation. (3Nephi 11:40)

How much of the ordinances need to be obeyed? Every word spoken about it or just the forms thereof? Because the LDS strictly administer all the forms of the ordinances of God. What could they possibly lack?

They baptize, but is it done with an eye single to the Lord's glory (D&C 55:1) or is it just a rote work done when a person is eight or wants to join the Church? And they lay on hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. What can be wrong there?

D&C 55:3
3And on whomsoever you shall lay your hands, if they are contrite before me, you shall have power to give the Holy Spirit.

The only way to prove people are contrite and that the power to give the Holy Spirit is present is if and when the Holy Ghost truly falls upon people and they are visited of God and truly wrought upon and cleansed and given a new heart from God with gifts and powers unique to every soul that is raised thusly to a state of righteousness, which according to Alma of the Book of Mormon, every man and woman must do or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God. And prophets of the Book of Mormon were strictly commanded to notice who is visited and who is not and therefore number only those who repent aright. (3Nephi 18, 30, Moroni 6:4)

Mosiah 27:25-26
25. And the Lord said unto me; Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindred, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters;
26 And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.

This is the fruit meet for the Father's kingdom. This is what it means to obey the ordinances of God. But searching over thirty-seven years amongst the LDS people I have never yet met one soul who will affirm that he has been so visited of God and truly raised up to this state of righteousness. Not one, never. And asking this is all I have ever done. But Mormons hate spiritual judgment and cry out who is perfect? You?
If therefore the LDS authorities fail to obey the ordinances of God then all their pretense to meekness and contrite tones affecting a trembling in their voice is Satan seeking to deceive the very elect. Fantastic. And again it is no wonder that these great meekers who swell with their own righteousness never ever, not even once preach the need for the people to come unto Christ, and to be born of him, and to be changed from their carnal and fallen state. To the contrary, they warrant all worthy from their pre-existence entitled to a birthright of divine natures, as if they are not fallen and as if they were never carnal, sensual or devilish. They give counsel to maintain the virtue of their high status which they take considerable pride in their knowledge of who they truly are. Can they be better devils than this? The terrestrial kingdom will be filled with those who were blinded by the craftiness of men.

If you think you can be meek and contrite and forsake the craftiness of LDS authorities and all others who seek to mislead the children of men please let me know. I will try to help you become truly honest in heart. I will not flatter you. If you want help please reply to my web site at www.voteforzion.com

3 Nephi 27:20
20 Now this is the commandment: Repent, all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me and be baptized in my name, that ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, that ye may stand spotless before me at the last day.

James Q. Muir

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I believe, I believe! -- I don't have to buy the book, because I believe what you say! God is real - this book proves it! Thank God I'm reading this thread so I can find out about this incredible book with this definitive information which I've never heard about anywhere before!

Now please stop plugging this book.

IMHO, the media treats all religions the same - badly. Christian evangelicals are portrayed as narrow-minded bigots (for example, one recent episode of a drama featured a pregnant lesbian who was murdered by her lover's evangelical sister). Catholics get all of the drunks, pedophile priests, or mystical mumbo-jumbo, i.e. The DaVinci Code. Muslims? Terrorists or suspected terrorists. Wiccans? Evil Satanic-ritual-performing cat-killers, fluffy New Agey types, or Harry Potter clones. (Yeah, if "Harry Potter" is real, where's my House Elf?) Buddhists? Flaky New-Agey types. Hindus? Crazed Kali-worshippers from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". I could go on.

One thing I've learned is that the media portrayals of different religions is nowhere near what the real adherents believe.

To Antonio --

You wrote regarding the media's duty to provide deep coverage: "Audiences would be much more responsive to them."

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. The media is a business and it stays in business by providing what people want. And the American people prefer simplicity to nuance, as our current president amply proves...

In the end, if people wanted more in-depth coverage of these questions, then the media would make it happen, if only to keep people's eyes on them instead of on anyone else. Unfortunately, most Americans care far more about who's going to win *American Idol* than about the state or religious relations in today's world.

This is all very sad and cynical and perhaps elitist of me, I admit. But I don't see it changing any time soon...

The media needs to do a thorough review on the founders of the major religions to bring readers up to date on the latest text and archeological findings.

For example:

1. Abraham founder of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men.

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of his sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest were embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian sects.

3. Mohammed, an illiterate, possibly hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

4. Luther, Calvin, Smith et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centred and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’"
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

"Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life (Alexandra David-Neel, Buddhism: fts Doctrines and fts Methods, New York: St. Martids Press, 1977, p. 15). "

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations/embellishments and myths surrounding the founders of said rules of life.

That's the reason right there James. You have hit the mark. Good one in finding it out on your own.

How come I'm alwasy he last one to appear on this space? I mean some guys ramble on for pages and pages and say nothing. I make a brief comment, a good one, and depart, yet, I'm always a the end where no one ever gets to.
Just becasue I am an Irish Catholic and a member of the true, Holy, Roman, one and olny church, is no reason to ignore me.
Oh yes, I do not believe in a free press. I think the press should be controlled by the Vatican except for the racing results news.

jw

and last year it was smack dab in the middle of both chanukah and christmas- and still, nothing.
even saturday night live has its happy chriskwanzakhah-

I watch alot of public television- ususally i find they try to be fair in their portrayal of muslims and others (as im a muslim im speaking from that perspective, not trying to exclude anyone)

muslims have a big holiday- its not one day or even 2 but lasts an entire month-

it is called Ramadan and unlike other holidays it does not involve over comsumption and indulgence but the opposite. it is a relgious holiday that focuses on the development of the soul through controlling the urges of the body for a full month-
we cleans our houses beforehand and wake well before sunrise to prepare a meal, eat and drink, and
before the sun rises, we cease all eating and drinking and say our morning prayers.

we do not at, drink or engage in sexual intercourse throughout the day- (not drinking is the hardest part for me personally)
we fast until sundown and its a pretty long day.
then we gather for iftar, break our fast with something very light, milk and dates are sunnah(the actions of the prophet(pbuh) which we try to emulate) but anything anyone wants is of course allowed- the we say our prayers in a group if possible and eat our full meal. Ususally its pretty light because after fasting all day you dont really want to gorge- and we snack if we like through the evening-(and of course say our evening prayers. many people stay in the mosque and pray continually for about an hour and a half- it really eats up the evening and mostly i go to bed pretty early during ramadan.

the purpose of fasting has many health benefits,but its not why we do it-we do it to be aware and have compassion for those who do not have enough to eat in the world,also to dsicipline ourselves to be more than consumers in tis world.

this goes on for a full month and is followed by 3 days of celebration called Eid. where we give gifts, eat and visit friends and family,etc...

now its a pretty pervasive and all consuming holiday-

here is the thing-
every year i keep looking for an acknowledgement from any media that it is being celebrated by 7 million muslims in america-

there is never any mention- no happy eid or happy ramamdan in between commercial breaks or any acknowledgment that it even exists-

cinco de may gets more coverage- so does st. patricks day, both holidays pretty much known for getting drunk-

can you imagine if passover or christmas lasted for a month? even kwanza gets covered and its only 30 years in america-
but never a peep-

hows that for media bias?

I agree with Robert B. that "the media treats religion too casually." It does a poor job of investigating the subtleties within and between religions, as well as the interrelations between belief and non-belief. What we usually get is a bogus debate like the one in the current "NEWSWEEK" issue: "Is God Real?" The question sets up a false either/or debate. It's like having a cover story asking "Should You Be a Democrat or a Republican?" Totally cartoonish.

The media needs to ask more complicated, less one-dimensional questions, such as "How do serious believers operate in secularized societies?" or "In what areas can theists and non-theists cooperate? In what areas are they more starkly opposed?" or "Which types of Christianity[Islam/Judaism/etc.] are accepting of one another? Which types are more hostile to each other?"

I don't see too much of these lines of inquiry, and it's too bad. Audiences would be much more responsive to them.