Readers’ Responses to Our Question (538)

"Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. Tell me, when a man rapes a little girl, do you make the claim that heterosxuality is inherently harmful?"

a man rapes a little girl, he is a pedophille and a rapist.

a man rapes a boy, he is a pedophille and a rapist.

in both cases a pedophille and in bot cases a rapist.

in the first case a heterosexual and in second case a homosexual.

A New Earth – Excerpt 2

By Eckhart Tolle [Continued]//

Spirituality and Religion //

What is the role of the established religions in the arising of the new consciousness? Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system, a set off thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth, does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more that you make your thoughts, your beliefs, into your identity, the more cut off you are to the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many religious people are stuck at that level. //

The new spirituality, the transformation of consciousness, is arising to a large extent outside the structures of the existing institutionalized religions. This large scale opening of spirituality outside of the religious structures is an entirely new development. In the past, this would have been inconceivable, especially in the west, the most mind-dominated of all cultures, where the Christian church had a virtual franchise on spirituality. //

Partly as a result of the spiritual teachings that have arisen outside the established religions, but also due to an influx of the ancient eastern wisdom teachings, a growing number of followers of traditional religions are able to let go of form, dogma, and rigid belief systems and discover the original depth that is hidden within their own spiritual tradition at the same time that they discover the depths within themselves… //

Some religious institutions will be open to the new consciousness. Others will harden their doctrinal positions and become part of all those other manmade structures through which the collective ego will defend itself and fight back. Some churches, sects, cults, or religious movements are basically collective egoist entities as rigidly identified with their mental positions as the followers of any political ideology which is closed to any alternative interpretation of reality. //

But the ego is destined to dissolve, and all its ossified structures, whether they be religious or other institutions, corporations or governments will disintegrate from within, no matter how deeply entrenched they appear to be. The most rigid structures, the most impervious to change will collapse first. This has already happened in the case of Soviet communism. How deeply entrenched, how solid and monolithic it appeared. And yet within a few years it completely collapsed from within. No one foresaw this; all were taken by surprise. There are many more such surprises in store for us.

[Why is this of such interest to me? Because this new awakening, or enlightenment is all that will save the human race. From the seemingly intractable Arab/Israeli conflict to the seemingly insolvable problems such as population explosion and resulting global warming and food/water/energy shortages, it will take a new awakening to resolve these problems.]

A New Earth – Excerpt

By Eckhart Tolle //

The Arising New Consciousness //

Most ancient religions and spiritual traditions share the common insight that our normal state of mind is marred by a fundamental defect. However, out of this insight into the nature of the human condition, we may call it the bad news, arises a second insight, the good news of the possibility of the radical transformation of human consciousness. In Hindu teachings, and sometimes Buddhism also, this transformation is called enlightenment. In the teachings of Jesus it is called salvation. In Buddhism it is called the end of suffering. Liberation and awakening are other terms used to describe this transformation. //

The greatest achievement of humanity is not the achievements of its art, science or technology, but rather the recognition of its own dysfunction, its own madness. In the distant past, this recognition already came to a few individuals. The man called Gautama Siddhartha, who lived 2600 years ago in India, was perhaps the first who saw it with absolute clarity. Later, the title of Buddha was conferred upon him. Buddha means the awakened one. //

At about the same time, another of humanity’s early awakened teachers emerged in China. His name was Lao Tzu. He left the record of his teachings in one of the most profound spiritual books ever written, the Daodejing (Tao Te Ching). //

To recognize ones own insanity is of course the arising of sanity, the beginning of healing and transcendence. A new dimension of consciousness had begun to arise on the planet, the first tentative flowering. //

Those three individuals then spoke to their contemporaries. They spoke of sin, of suffering, of delusion. They said, “Look how you live, see what you are doing, the suffering you create.” They then pointed to the possibility of awakening from the collective nightmare of normal human existence. They showed the way. //

The world was not yet ready for them, and yet they were a vital and necessary part of human awakening. Inevitably, they were mostly misunderstood by their contemporaries, as well as by subsequent generations. Their teachings, although both simple and powerful, became distorted and misinterpreted. Over the centuries many things were added that had nothing to do with the original teachings, but were the reflections of a fundamental misunderstanding. Some of the teachers were ridiculed, reviled or killed. Others came to be worshipped as gods. Teachings that pointed the way beyond the dysfunction of the human mind, the way out of the collective insanity, were distorted and became themselves part of the insanity. //

And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about an end to violence and hatred, through realization of the wonders of all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as divisions between different religions, and even within the same religion. They became ideologies, or belief systems people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. They could make themselves right and others wrong and thus define their identities through their enemies, the others, the nonbelievers or wrong believers, who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made god in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the un-nameable was reduced to a mental idol that you must believe in and worship as my god or our god. //

Where is the Line? :
"What about Pedaphilia? Beastiality? Necrophilia? Are those OK, too?"

How many times does this tired argument have to be rfuted? Pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia all take place without the consent of at least one involved party. Children, animals, and the dead can't give consent.

"Are they considered reprehensible until Practitioners band together, lobby congress for legislation, boycott TV stations that don't air supportive sit-coms, and have Man-Boy, Man-Dog, & Man-Corpse Love Marches?"

No - because they involve lack of consent.

"Morality draws a line in the sand for the protection of society. Just because homosexuals have Gay Pride parades, have successfully lobbied for gay-friendly legislation, and have infused Hollywood with their ideals, Doesn't legitimize the practice in the least."

If you don't think homosexuality is "legitiamte," don't enter into an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex. I've been told by various people that m marriage isn't legitimate, even though it's legal, because both my husband and I were divorced from previous spouses, and because our wedding did not take place in a church with clergy officiating. I call BS on other people's criteria for the legitimacy of my relationship.

"Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody, you say? Tell that to the molested Catholic altar boys. They might beg to differ."

Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. Tell me, when a man rapes a little girl, do you make the claim that heterosxuality is inherently harmful?

What about Pedaphilia? Beastiality? Necrophilia? Are those OK, too?

Are they considered reprehensible until Practitioners band together, lobby congress for legislation, boycott TV stations that don't air supportive sit-coms, and have Man-Boy, Man-Dog, & Man-Corpse Love Marches?

Morality draws a line in the sand for the protection of society. Just because homosexuals have Gay Pride parades, have successfully lobbied for gay-friendly legislation, and have infused Hollywood with their ideals, Doesn't legitimize the practice in the least.

Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody, you say? Tell that to the molested Catholic altar boys. They might beg to differ.

Take the lesson from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Does GOD forgive former gays after they have repented and changed their views upon same sex marriage and relationships? YES! and GOD doesn't just stop there..He infuses HIS HOLY SPIRIT within us..to be our Comforter and protector when the old urges try to resurface.

DOes GOD bless, support and embrace those who continue to have 'same sex" marriages, sodomy and and gay relationships? NO...but HE's still standing there with open arms to forgive and embrace those that run from it and seek HIS Divine intervention.

Jesus (a.s)said my father is greater than me.
Also said my God is a Jealous God.
Also said I do every thing with the Will of God.
He also said I do not come to change but to confirm the Law.
My question TO THE CHRISTIAN WORLD IS DOES JESUS (A.S.) EVER ONCE SAID, I CAME TO GIVE MY SACRIFICE FOR YOUR SINS?
Instead JESUS (A.S) SAID, """"who break one Law will not enter the kingdom of Heavean""".

DID OR HAVE CHRISTIANS EVER FOLLOWED WHAT JESUS(A.S) SAID???????

HE ALSO PROSTRATED AND PRAYED, my question is TO WHOM ???
My another question is DOES CHRISTIANS "EVER" prayed and prostrated like Jesus (a.s) to his God (Father)?

THE WORST WAY OF CALLING NAME TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR:

When Christians say that Jesus (A.S) was the only BEGOTTEN son and not MADE like Adam (A.S) or like all other creatures or creations? (Like when and what God wihes, it happens)
What are you insinuating??? That God Almighty Him self came down to perform the lowest form of animal act like dog, donkey or monkey, i.e., sexual reproduction?
And on top of it Jesus (A.S) was His begotten son not legitimate!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS THE WORST KIND OF ABUSE AND NAMING ANY BODY COULD HAVE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE GOD ALMIGHTY!!
Well down you so called CHRISTIAN believers??
You are getting your rewards in this world and will definitely get infinitely here after!!!!!!

YOUR BEST OF BEST ARE PREIST, BISHOP, CARDINAL AND POP AND NUNS RIGHT!

You say Nuns don't marry there whole life b/cause they are married to the Father. Alright!

My Question is Your Priest up to Pop, are they also married to the Father?????

Extremely Natural concept, behavior or shall I say believe????

I think its sad when people of all faiths are intolerant with those who either lack faith or have a different view point of religion. To argue with gay people why being gay is wrong is a waste of time,all sinners try to excuse the wrongs they do.The scriptures are replete with the abomination of homosexuls, exp SODOM and GOMORHA, the scriptures are full of Christ like ideals and also the condemnation of spousal abuse, child abuse obedience to both Gods law and mans law, once we pass to the world of spirits those who didnt believe will know things they didnt learn here, many will remain as they were on earth,others will hear and see and desire to accept the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We as followers of Christ bear testimony of him, we follow him, we honor him and accept him as the Son of God and we acknowledge his atonement, that he died for each of our sins, and that thru believing in him we maybe saved from sin and destruction. I would like to bear my testimony that Jesus is the Christ the he lives and loves us, that he created this heaven and earth under the direction of the Father. I bear witness that Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Ghost are 3 seperate personages and that they are 1 in purpose and that is to bring the gospel to mankind and to once again help them to know of Christ as he has asked us to. May we so read and study his word and thru prayer and scripture study learn of him who is meek and gave his life for each of us. I bear this witness and know its true, in the name of Jesus Christ AMEN
Iam a memeber of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, so all of you who thought Mormons didnt believe in Christ, now you know!!

My faith is based on God’s Word, the Bible.

John 17:17: “your word is truth”

2Timothy 3:16-17: 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

According to the Bible, governments are free to pass whatever laws they see fit.
True Christians are careful to maintain neutrality by avoiding political debates. (John 17:16) Even when the laws of the land are in conflict with a Bible-trained conscience, a true Christian does not engage in protests or any form of political campaigns in order to change such laws.

As a Christian, I recognize that our Creator sets the standard. Our Creator established rules governing marriage long before governments began regulating the institution.

(Genesis 2:24) “A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” The Hebrew word “wife,” according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, “connotes one who is a female human being.” Jesus confirmed that those yoked together in marriage should be “male and female.”—Matthew 19:4.
According to the Bible, God intended marriage to be a permanent and an intimate bond between a man and a woman. Men and women are designed to complement each other so they may be capable of satisfying each other’s emotional, spiritual, and sexual needs and desires.
The well-known Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah reveals God’s feelings about homosexuality. God declared: “The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.” (Genesis 18:20) The extent of their sinful depravity at that time was apparent when two guests visited the righteous man Lot. “The men of Sodom . . . surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: ‘Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.’” (Genesis 19:4, 5) The Bible says: “The men of Sodom were bad and were gross sinners against Jehovah.”—Genesis 13:13.
The men became “violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males.” (Romans 1:27) They had “gone out after flesh for unnatural use.” (Jude 7) Some may object to using the word “unnatural” to describe homosexual behavior. However, is not God the final arbiter when it comes to nature? He commanded his ancient people: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”— Leviticus 18:22.
The Bible is clear: God does not approve of or condone homosexual practices. He also disapproves of people who “consent with those practicing them.” (Romans 1:32) And “marriage” cannot give homosexuality a cloak of respectability. God’s direction that “marriage be honorable among all” precludes homosexual unions, which he considers detestable.—Hebrews 13:4.
Imperfect human standards change. Jehovah’s righteous standards are perfect and unchangeable.

lepidopteryx,

You are sooooo intelligent and can explain any thing the way you like,

BUT,

CAN'T SEE THROUGH WHAT SIMPLE PLAINLY I'M SAYING

OR,

Can't/unable to see s.h.i.t through the hole?????

Moody:
No one is trying to get you to have anal sex. In fact, I think it's probably best for everyone if you continue to be satisfied with yourself.

The reason for the prohibiton against close biological ADULT relatives marrying is that it shrinks the gene pool, concentrates recessive genes, and makes genetic birth defects more likely to occur. It has nothing to do with sexual morality or ethics. That said, if your brother turns you on that much, and he's ok with it and of legal age, boff away.

If you're talking about adults having sex with their underage children, you should realize that ANY adult having sex with ANY underage child is already a crime - it's called statutory rape. No one has the right to rape.

If it is s.h.i.t hole with s.h.i.t. THAT IS MORE !
Then NO Thanks I'm or any normal human being male or female is NOT INTERESTED.

By the way though it is very personal but I'm very satisfied with my self.

And there is some thing called athics. Human simply don't drawn away by there feelings. Today you are saying in the name of personal human rights, male and s.h.i.t hole union is okay. Tommorow you will come up saying because now it became national pendamic therefore your present 13% INCEST is also personal human right AND also OKAY!!!!!!!!

Moody:

Exactly what habit am I in - at least in your febrile imagination?

I have to wonder when was the last time you had sex with anyone other than Rosy - maybe you're just jealous that gay men and lesbians are getting more than you are.

lepidopteryx,

YA! YA! according to you and people like you every thing goes!!!

Because of your HABIT YOU ARE IN you want to think every thing is same and don't want to

DISTINGUISH between NORMAL HEALTHY AND UNNATURAL ABNORMAL SICK BEHAVIOR.

If any body is indulged in the WRONG ACTIVITY, it doesn't make it right. Regard less in what ever numbers!!

By the way the world I belong to, such sick people stands out as very few. And generally s.h.i.t bashing is not in mass practise or publically liked or accepted IN ANY FORM OF RELATION.

Moody :
**Let’s analyze Gay Union (physical relation).

It consist of two parts
1- Emotional part that is LOVE which alone without physical part doesn’t fall in the category of Gay relation.**

Actually, it does. Men who feel romantic love for other men are gay. Women who feel roamntic love for other women are lesbian.

**2- Physical part ONLY that defines if the relation is Gay or not. OR you can say that if two men are sexually involved ONLY THEN IT IS GAY REALTION.**

Not so. A gay man can have sex with a woman and he is still gay. A lesbian can have sex with a man and still be a lesbian. Gay men and lesbians can be celibate - they're still homosexual. Both of these situations often happen with gay men and lesbians who are closeted.
A straight man can have sex with another man and not be gay. A straight woman can have sex with another woman and not be a lesbian. Sometimes this happens because people are curious and just want to see what it's like. Sometimes it's a power thing, such as among incarcerated individuals.

**So basically this relation is based on SEXUAL NATURE only!**

No, it's much more complex than simply who you have sex with. It's about which sex you're physically and affectionally attracted to, regardless of whether you act on that attraction or not.

**Now lets analyze its MAIN ASPECT that is physical sexual relation.

1- From male satisfaction and sensation point, the best you get is from women.**

Only if you're heterosexual.

**Question : Is it normal and hygienic or SICK behavior to get it willingly by hitting a s.h.i.t hole??**

Newsflash - there are straight people who enjoy anal sex. Orientation is more than just a question of orifices and appendages.

**2- And from the point view of person who is allowing the unnatural intercourse through his s.h.i.t hole. Question : Is in love he force the other to hit his s.h.i.t.? Is it normal or extremely unhygienic insane behavior??**

As long it's consensual, there's nothing wrong with any combination of orifices and appendages.
There are those who would say that male-female fellatio and cunnilingus are "unhygienic" - shall we condemn those as well? You're going to have quite a battle on your hands there.

**Now the last question does love really demand such unhygienic and UNNATURAL behavior??**

Love doesn't demand sex of any kind. People who love each other generally desire to have sex with each other. Sex is often a form of expression of love. And sometimes it's just plain fun.

**Are we so lost that don’t know countless other ways of showing our love and compassion like caring, helping and protecting each other rights etc?**

You could say the same about straight people. There are lots of ways to show love, including those you listed AND through mutual sexual pleasure.

**Rights doesn’t mean s.h.i.t bashing or adopting insane activities.**

So are you planning to deny rights to straight people who have sex in positions you find unacceptable?

**Insanity is a DESEASE and not the normal course or nature of life.**

And homophobia is a form of insanity. Congratulations, you've realized you have a problem. That's the first step to healiong yourself.

**BAD HABITS ARE NOT NATURE, YOU ARE ONLY SO AROGANT NOT WILLING TO LIVE THEM!!!!!!!!!**

Biting your nails is a bad habit. Wanting to be able to marry the person you love isn't. Please learn the difference.

I meant to say,
BAD HABITS ARE NOT NATURE, YOU ARE ONLY SO AROGANT NOT WILLING TO LEAVE THEM!!!!!!!!!

Let’s analyze Gay Union (physical relation).

It consist of two parts
1- Emotional part that is LOVE which alone without physical part doesn’t fall in the category of Gay relation.
2- Physical part ONLY that defines if the relation is Gay or not. OR you can say that if two men are sexually involved ONLY THEN IT IS GAY REALTION.
So basically this relation is based on SEXUAL NATURE only!

Now lets analyze its MAIN ASPECT that is physical sexual relation.

1- From male satisfaction and sensation point, the best you get is from women. Question : Is it normal and hygienic or SICK behavior to get it willingly by hitting a s.h.i.t hole??
2- And from the point view of person who is allowing the unnatural intercourse through his s.h.i.t hole. Question : Is in love he force the other to hit his s.h.i.t.? Is it normal or extremely unhygienic insane behavior??

Now the last question does love really demand such unhygienic and UNNATURAL behavior??

Are we so lost that don’t know countless other ways of showing our love and compassion like caring, helping and protecting each other rights etc? Rights doesn’t mean s.h.i.t bashing or adopting insane activities. Insanity is a DESEASE and not the normal course or nature of life. BAD HABITS ARE NOT NATURE, YOU ARE ONLY SO AROGANT NOT WILLING TO LIVE THEM!!!!!!!!!

My faith is grounded in Jesus Christ and the Word of God. I believe what God's Word says regarding homosexuality; it is sinful. This does not mean that I personally condemn homosexuality above any other sin, because the Bible says that all sin is equal.

Because I believe God's Word, I understand that we were made for His use. God clearly states in the Bible that man was intended for woman, and woman was intended for man. But because of sin, man has strayed from God's righteous Word and has been turned over to a repobate mind, thus accepting sin.

According to the scripture, homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Thus, when put into a spiritual context, I say that it is sinful and that Christians should repent of their sins.

I feel it is important that I reiterate, all sin is equal in the eyes of the Lord. Therefore, homosexuality is no worse a sin than lying, stealing, killing, etc.

My political views on same-sex unions are different from my spiritual views, because I understand the separation of church and state, as stipulated in the U.S. Constitution. Politically, I believe same-sex couples should be granted the same rights and privileges as married couples; however, I believe that marriage should be defined as the union of one man and one woman. It is a pre-political foundation of civilization.

Let me add one last thing. I feel many Christians are quick to judge and condemn homosexuals, and they do a disservice to our faith. Our purpose should always be to show Christ's love and to seek salvation for the unbeliever and restoration for the backslider.

I think you misunderstood Bobby, Lepidopteryx. He just came out and stated before all of us the primary conflict of his life. He's gay and can't accept himself for all the reasons he stated. He is imploring you and me to do as he attempts but will never achieve.

The tiny, little problem is that you and I live with such a profound integrity he will never know. The inabiliity to accept reality via derivative religious dogma facsinates me no end.

Bobby:
**Please please give up your desires for same sex partners and learn to live within the norms of society. You will find that you will be much much happier and much more productive in life. You will have a lot more peace in your life.**

Can you give up your attraction to opposite sex partners? I'm not asking if you can abstain from sex - anyone can do that. I'm asking if you can stop finding women attractive. If you can't, then what makes you think that those who are attracted to the same sex can just stop being attracted?

And how exactly will pretending to be attracted to the opposite sex, perhaps even marrying someone they cannot love in order to, in your words, "live within the norms of society," make their lives happier?

I just want to know why gays and lesbians refuse to accept that God does not accept homosexuality as a lifestyle. As a matter of fact its one of the things that He hates among other things. So I just want you to stop trying to make the rest of us accept something that is un-natural. We will not accept the behavior. We accept you as human beings period. I don't want to see this behavior portrayed on television or the movies and I don't want it espoused in our schools to the children as an acceptable lifestyle. It isnt acceptable period. Please please give up your desires for same sex partners and learn to live within the norms of society. You will find that you will be much much happier and much more productive in life. You will have a lot more peace in your life.

I ask, does the Washington Post really reach out for TRUE Faith, and one thought on Wade, I believe death of of a word is the death of a smile, is the death of belief that we mean something. I write no more. Short edit that on life's meaning and the taking away from what someone wants to mean in life, such as getting out in a world we all hope will get better.

I ask, does the Washington Post really reach out for TRUE Faith, and one thought on Wade, I believe death of of a word is the death of a smile, is the death of belief that we mean something. I write no more. Short edit that on life's meaning and the taking away from what someone wants to mean in life, such as getting out in a world we all hope will get better.

I ask, does the Washington Post really reach out for TRUE Faith, and one thought on Wade, I believe death of of a wrod is the death of a smile, is the death of belief that we mean something. I write no more. Short edit that on life's meaning and the taking away from what someone wants to mean in life, such as getting out in a world we all hope will get better.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Separation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Separation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Separation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Separation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Seaparation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see the NAACP or Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Seaparation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see the NAACP or Other Groups fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Seaparation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see the NAACP or Neo Nazi's fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

TOP DOWN PROCESSING

1. Seaparation of Races in History; such that of in the Deep SOuth of Columbia, SC - Numbers 9:19 - when the cloud tarried long upon the tabernacle many days, the children of (Israel) kept the journey of the Lord and journeyed not.
'On cloudy days outside the State House in Columbia, SC - given early summer days you may see the NAACP or Neo Nazi's fighting for their Journey to stay alive and speak, all the meanwhile Field Trips of Hundreds of youth take hands of teachers later on in the summer so they may be guided through life to view under all flags and monuments upstanding that they are in fact created equal, and may live in a better world where people make consecration of Faith that they may take this world on hand and hand. Im no John Lennnon, possibly a Bono follower and believe that believe as with Magic Johnson, 1st Samuel 30:8 ..."Pursue(!) for thou dhalt surely ovetake them and without fail recover all." defeating opponents on court with Showtime, recovering defeating HIV (as with Bono's Finding a place), and for the children (taken this into context) David's recovery for his brethren and children of his land, "DUST OF THIS LAND" I may see on 100 day Columbia heat where 'dead squirrel pups' of the Squirrelies(!) I love so much makes me think does not the birth of my puppy who curls up to me not make me think that The Weaver of this Joy of Life and its Trials to find Joy in Time is Worth a Catholic (and pup breeding old roomate) -as I am Methodist - Mel Gibson path for Elisha school for Prophets Pride that every look to a youth in the eye, as they look away with developmental psychology puts Wade Hampton upon high standing as I walk by on path to the horseshoe. A Patrioit who fights from the swamp and muck of muckrakers begs upon Solomons song that a Greek overcast Temple under Columbianm, SC sky asks to the Call upon Faith "Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh, and Frankinsense and all the powders of the merchant" FOR Y"ALL TO HEAR, IT IS ME WALKING HOPING MY BAD STARED DAY THAT ENDED WITH MY WALK UPON GERVAIS AND MAIN UNDER THE CONFERATE FLAG - seeing the alive and exuberant, jubilamt youth, at hands length of the Faith of the TEachers who mark their path, ist is the SOng Sung as the Renaissance of birth is given to the hope for a loving life bestowed upon on all parameters of a community that wishes for parallelism between private religious bounds of "gladness in the heart, and a Sooner spice to life that PReachers, Poets and Professors may liven their everyday gate unto this NEW BRAVE NEW world! The power of this examination is guiltless of sacrifice, as I feel no guilt at the moment for my sacrifice to freedom, but from the Oak trees not far away, I resound to resolution of this ideal form shaping of my belief that alrm is only desolate from the front-facing "LOVE ALMOST" of WHat we may see --> I see "Woodrow Wilsons room rang TRUE to growing up as a boy in Columbia, SC ---> there are people willing to show a path to scholarship, religion conventional supprt and an upright path to develop personal structure such that this Living World with Living Words may not be Wilderness to the zealous youth with search for lives of lawyers, nurses, engineers, and research biologists, store managers - preachers, those who make life go round, from afar the state of my mind is Inifinite in thought of youth bringing joy to their care free ways, to be taken by the hand of the old horsemen and the men of the pulpits and Lady Justice and Lady Angels. So I am lost in a day, call it a thought on Faith. ROundabout points, I just see Wade Hampton standing upright, and a Father praying with his children, so the velvet seas of this earth have been sailed, but more want To Follow.

Terra Gazelle, that was beautiful.

It fascinates me no end that the most intolerant and disrespectful persons toward G-d's creation are the most devout Fundamentalist Christians. It's so contradictory and hypocritical.

Religion isn't a club. If anyone is using it as such *THAT* ought to be a clue right there.

Thanks for your post.

sw

RP,

It's incompetently derivative hermeneutics and erroneously imposed bigotry upon the texts. If you like you can read "The Sins of Scripture" by John Shelby Spond c2005 or "The Good Book" by Peter J. Gomes c1996 to find out all about it.

It's stems from a rationalization derived from the Cain/Able fratricide as a justification for "dark-skinned" people being descended from Cain and so deserving of abusive enslavement to atone for Cain's crime. It is pure tripe and staggering stupidity that not 150 years-ago was solidly considered competent biblical certainty.

The irony is that the very same certainty about gay persons is just as specious and incompetently construed today.

Read the sources I cited to find out about this.

sw

Anon,

You are the one who brought it up and you are the one spouting errneous information. Read the book I gave you to read and educate yourself. You speak only in abusive uninformed bigotry.

Stop doing that. Do you understand?

You are making incorrect statements and refusing to listen when facts are presented to you.

Stop doing that, too.

Or continue to do so and get the responses your are getting.

sw

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Useing religion as a bat to hit others with is disrespectful to your God and reason. My best friend is gay...he is the most balanced person I know. Now for those who think being gay is an imbalance that will not make sense...but to those who see it as merely another way humanity was created...it makes perfect sense. In fact my gay friend says that Bisexuality is the most balanced. he wouldn't know...

What if all us hetros are the abnormal? How bout if 80% of all those who profess hetrosexuality are really in the closet gays?

I see only one way to ensure not being intolerant and bigoted...respect all people, not for who they love, but what they do to help others and make this a better world for all of us.

Useing a religion to preach intolerance is stupid, not all people care what another religion says, unless it effects them. I am not of a religiion that sees homosexuality as wrong. We respect all of the diversity created. It is not for us to say what is good and what isn't. We honor the Creator, She knows what She is doing. Mama does not play favorites.

terra

Karma,
I have read the Bible but never saw any verses that "condemns black and dark skinned people throughout", as you asserted. Could you point out where in the Bible contains such a message?

IF you like to keep refering yourself to animals then by all means, if you do your research and studies most so called homosexual behavior by animals is out of pecking order and dominance. What reason does a female dog hump a male because she is horny? No she proveing her dominance over the male. Maybe when we can determine we did not come from animals we will quit acting like them and walk upright again in the truth.

Anon,

You're parroting a 250+ year-old argument that is no longer operant. At least be original. John Wesley gave a "Sermon #38: A Caution Against Bigorty" in which he used the polemic: same-sex atrractions were "lusts against nature".

This is untrue. It was untrue then. It is now. 450 Animal species have been well documented for 200 years that express homosexual, bisexual and bimodal sexualities.

Read all about them in "Biological Exuberance: Animial Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" by Bruce Bagemihl, PhD, c1999.

It is ironic in the extreme that Wesley's sermon is resurrected in suppor of anti-gay rhetoric when it was a CAUTION AGAINST BIGOTRY. Grow up, please. Read a little too, and come with your own ideas will ya?

sw

ANON: "The fact to the Point stands is it lust or Love. Because as we know, especially men we know sex without love,"

Straight people have sex without love as well. In my single days, I had a few hookups that were strictly lust.

"If two men live together without lust then it is not sex you seek but companionship same with a women."

If two people live together without sexual desire for one another, they are roommates, not lovers. If two gay men live together without desire for one another, it doesn't mean that they really want women. It simply means that they don't desire each other. Being gay doesn't mean that a man wants to sleep with every man he meets any more than being a straight woman means that I want to knock boots with every man I meet.
I had a straight male roommate years ago - he and I were not attracted to each other. We shared rent and utilities, not a bed. The fact that he did not desire me didn't mean that he didn't desire any other woman. The fact that I had no sexual interest in him did not mean that I was not attracted to men. We just didn't have any erotic chemistry - we were friends. He had a girlfriend and I had a boyfriend.

You still avoid the point of lust and love. Also if it was not in our ability to do all those things you say are actually un natural,Those do not conflict with the realm of creation, because I am sure if animals or other creatures where givin the choice they would use fire to warm themselves etc. The fact to the Point stands is it lust or Love. Because as we know, especially men we know sex without love, If two men live together without lust then it is not sex you seek but companionship same with a women. We forget we are responsible for ourselves and when we do something wrong we try to find a way to justify ourselves, and convince people it is ok.

Anon:
The 'unnatural" argument really isn't valid. After all, we human beings do lots of things that are "unnatural". Things like:

Cooking food
Distilling alcohol
Rolling dried leaves in paper, igniting them, and sticking them in our mouths
Making fire
Making paper
Wearing clothing
Tanning leather and fur
Creating art
Driving
Written language
Drilling for and processing petroleum
Mining and processing minerals
I could go on for days, but I think you get the point. No other species does any of these things in the wild, and all are learned or invented behaviors - none are instinctive.

For gay men and lesbians, it IS instinctive to be attacted to a member of their own sex.
And please, enough with the sterotypes - not all lesbians are butch and not all gay men are effeminate. And even if they were, a gay man would not be attracted to a woman, no matter how "masculine" she might seem, nor would a lesbain be attracted to a man, no matter how "feminine" he might seem.
If that were the case, you could just as easily argue that a straight woman could be attracted to another woman if she were butch enough, or that a straight man could be attracted to another man if he were highly effiminate.

We are intelligble, and anyway you look at it, it is un natural show me another creature that has procreated through time as same sex. Instead how about if a gay man is to feminine then why not seek a women whose is to masculine. Plus you have to ask yourself is it lust or love when you distinguish the two then you will know the truth. Sounds like a silly Idea but has it ever been tried. We need to right our wrongs before we can walk justly in the future.