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Dear Humans,

Can you show me the word Judaism in the OT?
Can you show me the word Christianity in the OT/NT?

Why follow a religion whose name is absent from its own holly text?!

There is only one true religion: Islam.

Just follow the Holly Bible and it will show you the way.
Go back to the original text (bypassing the Evangelists!)

Here is my proof:

See Verse 16 in Ch 5 of Song of Songs at this location
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3005.htm

Look at the Hebrew text. You will see the Name Mohammad (מַחֲמַדִּים) there! Just remove the "i" (י) and "m" (ם) used for making a noun plural.

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David,

Thanks for your post. I read it all the way through. I see you have an interest in eschology (end time prophecy). I have been recently trying to expand my knowledge of this subject as well, and have found the same things you have found to be true. I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts, even though some may call us crazy, I see the truth in them. God told us that He would give us signs for the end times. It's very hard to ignore these signs. First and foremost, the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948. This could very well be what people refer to as the "super-sign". Also, looking at science and technology these days makes you wonder as well. Your right, we have furthered our knowledge in such a way in the past 100 years, that it is hardly comparable to what we as mankind have learned in the past. Now with global warming as a threat to our world, we will see many more natural disasters, just like God said they would. The EU started with 10 nations. Look at the book of Daniel and you find 10 horns representing 10 nations. Can all this be coincidence. I don't think so. This is why I find an urgency more today than any other for the salvation of man. I hope that we could bring those who do not believe to Christ, not for our sake, but for theirs and the glory of God as well. Thanks for your post. I have a lot to learn, and I hope that maybe together we can share our knowledge to further our faith in God and to help those who are in need of spiritual salvation.

God bless you

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To All

Muhammad and the Prostitute
Muhammad, The Great Anti Christ?
(TGAC)
A New Beginning?
Table of Contents

Beginning Note: Those who call themselves Christians and Muslims alike distort what the Bible actually says just to meet their needs and beliefs. But the Bible says what it says in truth. Mankind adds things to it. Read the Bible for what it really is, and you will find out things that you never thought were there.
When one translates something. They should realize that the translation all depends on how the sentence was said. But many take every possible meaning that one word might have and translate it to be what they want. It all depends on the tone and way that something is said also. Was it said in anger? Was it said as in a learning way? Was it said as a question? Was it said as a Parable to teach? Look in the book of Proverbs and wonder who is actually speaking here. (Proverbs 8:) Who was this craftsman at Gods side, The first of all creations? There are many other sections in the Old Testament where one can find Christ. But neither Catholics or Muslims will give into what God is really trying to tell us. Mostly because we have been told by other men who claim to be someone, and also claim to have all the answers to not study or even look for the truth on their own. Muslims are taught not to trust the people of the Book (Book meaning Bible). They are told that the People of the Book will lead them astray. And that would be true, if they followed the Church of Rome (Or the Prostitute that sets on the seven Hills. Actually the prostitute represents the City that ruled the world at one time. But the Bible speaks of another power coming from the First power in it’s own likeness).
But anyway, there is a big difference between those who call themselves Christians, and those who at least keep on trying to obey Gods Will.

We fight among each other because we refuse to obey God. We choose rather to do what Satan wants us to do. “Oh” how Lucifer must so delight in our hate for one another. I am only a man. But I will let God teach me what I need to Know. Of course many others say the same things as I do, but never truly try to understand what God is telling them. I am not saying I am totally right on everything. I make mistakes just like you. But I will always keep trying to learn more about the Lord. That is why I always say. Do not believe me for what I say. Prove me right or wrong by studying for yourselves. Pick up the Koran and study it. How will you know what your brothers believe in, unless you read it for yourself. The same goes for my Muslim Brothers. Pick up the Bible and read it for what it really says. Open up a history Book. Study, Study and Study some more. Do not let Satan deceive you any longer. This has been his plan from the beginning. To deceive mankind so as to have him destroy each other because of our own wants and beliefs. Do not believe just mere men (For which we all are). Believe God, and the proven history of the Bible. And as I hope and pray for Muslims in this truth, I also pray and hope for those who are Catholics.

Read these verses from Proverbs in the Old Testament. Who do you think it is speaking here? He says he was the first of all creations. He says he was the craftsman that stood by the side of God. Read for yourself what has been hidden, but was truly not. Only by our own selfishness do we miss what is really written in the Bible.

Proverbs 8: 22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;

PR 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

PR 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;

PR 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,

PR 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.

PR 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

PR 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,

PR 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

PR 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,

PR 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind

The above is very interesting is it not. But even as it is. There are those who will make it say what they want it to say. Now, one might say that these verses are only giving an example of the Wisdom that was Gods. But any way you look at it, It still points bank to the wisdom that stood next to God. But if you do not believe that this is speaking of Christ, then here is something a little bit more just to confirm what is written here.
Read Colossians 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Very Interesting, Is it Not? A child sometimes understands these things better then we. They understand it better mostly because they do not have the selfishness that we as adults have inside of us. Because of this selfishness of ours, we kill, torture and maim one another, and claim that we are doing it in the name of the Lord and for his sake. Never has anything been spoken so wrongly by Mankind! What hypocrites we are to follow the words of men, instead of God.

“Muhammad and the Prostitute”
A New Prophet?
Table of Contents

Muhammad while In Madinah was able to work freely in spreading Islam. The followers of Islam increased day after day. The ever increasing threat by the Makkans did not stop. Some small battles and confrontations occurred with the Makkans . Sometimes the battles were won by the Muslims, and sometimes by the Makkans. Muhammad also engaged in battles with the Persian and Byzantine Empire’s that were jeopardizing his newly formed Occult from the north and the east. But the battles with the Makkans stopped for a while after a treaty was made at Hudaibiyah that was signed by the Muslims and the Makkans who were thought as being unbelievers.
In Madinah, Muhammad succeeded in establishing Islam as a way of life in its supposedly true meaning. He provided Muslims with rules and Regulations to obey as if they were from God himself. His laws and rules govern many with an Iron scepter even till this day

Just before the fall (Or I should say the last fall of Rome the city, and the western Roman Empire) of Rome in the 7th century. (Of Course many say that Rome as a power with its Emperor was defeated in or around 470 AD) A certain man went to Rome to find out more about God. He thought he would be able to learn more about the Lord by talking and studying with the Christian Church (The Catholic Church) in Rome. But the only conclusion he came up with was that the Catholic Church at that time was not following what God had put down for man to obey. He saw them worshiping false idols in the Church buildings. They were praying to Mary, Peter and other saints. So in reality he knew that this was wrong. Except for the fact that he judged all Christianity on what he saw and learned in Rome. So he seemed to think that it was his duty to straiten mankind out on who God really was.
One might be able to say because of this, he started one of the worlds greatest Anti Christ’s Movements ever. He became the worlds greatest anti Christ leader, even to this day. (Could he have been the Great Anti Christ himself? He possibly could of been. But there is still much to study on this matter. Mostly because one could always be wrong on his theory’s). This mans name is Muhammad.
But anyway that one might look at who Muhammad really was and is. He still comes out to be an Anti Christ. He and his followers all deny that Christ is the Son of God. They say that he was only a profit. Basically they are saying that Christ was a minor prophet, and Muhammad was the great prophet that was to come. Are we to hate Muslims because of this? No we are not! They are mislead just like others are mislead by those who say that they are someone, when in reality they are only deceivers who want to rule over other’s. By doing this, they do it in his name. And I don’t mean Christ.

It is strange to me that this has not been spoken of through out the century’s. It seems to just have passed right by the Christian world. Except for the wars that went on during the Crusades. And the wars that went (Read the excerpts on the first page of this book.) on to make the Muslim religion what it is today. Some might think by reading this that the Church of Rome did think that he was the anti Christ (or something like one). Then again why would the Church of Rome think something like that? (When most likely the prostitute that sits on the seven hills spoken of in the Bible might represent the Church in Rome. Or it might even be the second beast. Remember, Rome was built on seven hills. Now Don’t jump up and down and stone me yet. These are just things that one should really study hard on). But that seems not to be the case. The wars were fought for land and rulership, and to force others to believe in what they believed. Of course both sides used God as their Excuse. Both sides thinking that God was on their side.

One would seem to wonder where the “devil” did not stand in those wars. And one might think which side was God really on. Well” you would have to take in the history of the Catholic Church at that time. And if you knew the Bible and studied it like you should. Then you would know that neither side obeyed what Christ left for us to honor the Father with. But even with all this happening, we should remember that there still were those then that knew neither side was right and followed the Lord in sometimes hidden places. There were always those who knew Christ for what he really was, and is. The Son of God, our savior. They knew that it was wrong to worship idols and the such. But because of their rebellion against the Catholic Church and the Muslims, they were often tortured and killed.
Our brothers and sisters of that era had it pretty bad it would seem. But they knew the truth. And as it says. The truth will set you free. Our brothers and sisters died because of their faith in the Lord. Even though they feared the pain of torture and death. They knew that they would live forever with the Lord. They knew that the Lord would save them in this way. By our Brothers and sisters dying in this way, they became an encouragement for others in times to come.

Many today believe that the anti Christ will rise and rule the world in the days to come. Some believe that he might be alive today and is just waiting for the right opportunity to start his rain of terror. I can not say that this will not happen in this way for sure. But by everything that I read and come up with in the Bible seems not to be on the side of those who think that the antichrist will be what they have made him out to be.
Not saying yes. But not saying no to this. There are many things we as Christians can be off on. Just like the Jews thought when Christ came. They thought when the Christ came, he would destroy the Romans and restore the Kingdom at that Time. They read the Scriptures and miss-interpreted them just as many do today. Never be to sure of yourselves of what you think you have found. The Bible also says that the antichrist will be Reveled. It could just Possibly be someone who might of already been here and the religion that he represents. This man could be someone that the Christians and world alike have just passed by without a second thought. Give or take a peace here and there.

Many Christians today get stuck on one idea, or belief, and stick with it till the day they die without exploring the rest of the Bible and the history that goes with it to see if what they believe could in realty be off just a little. “Not saying that they are wrong in there thoughts totally. But possibly being not quit right with the unfolding of the matter. I myself come to no permanent conclusions on many matters in the Bible, for I leave myself open to possibly being wrong on some things, but am convinced on many other matters. The Book of Revelations can be a tricky book for some. Mostly because many are taught by others to believe in what they have come up with in their own findings, which can be a good thing in some teachings. But can become a disaster if not put down and studied in the manner that God set for us to in the Bibles history. I am still studying and come to no permanent conclusions yet about some things in the Book of Revelations. But I do sway towards the positive in many other matters in what they might mean for us today.
If I hear someone talking about an antichrist that will be in the form of a man and will rule the whole world soon, or in the days to come. And if those who believe this, also preach a thousands years of peace on the earth and then the coming of Christ. Then I move back and take a deep breath because of the fact that the Bible does not really speak of a thousand years of peace. The ones who believe this, get this Idea from Revelations 20:, read this for a better understanding of what the thought might be in believing in a thousands years of peace on the earth. Also read Revelations 7: 1 to 4 and Revelations 14: 1 to 5.
But one can not just read two or three lines in a chapter and come up with the conclusion of a thousand years of peace before our Lords return. It is just not saying that here. You have to read the rest of the chapter, and the Bible to understand and get the big picture of it all. Here is something that tells us why it probably will not happen in this way. Mostly because it is to obvious. (But again, I say that I am still studying these matters also. So I could be wrong) Read in (1 Timothy: 1 to 11. Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.)

But don’t stop here, or begin here. Read the rest of it also. The whole thing fits together like a puzzle. “A simple, but complex Puzzle”.
There is a big possibility that the antichrist has already come and set his mark upon the world through a false religion, which is the second largest religion in the world. This religion and many of its followers are the reason that the world leaders of today are looking for new ways to protect themselves. Because of this religion, new security measures are being sought through out the world. One of the security measures being looked at today is an ID card that possess sophisticated biometric data, Called the Smart ID Card. This card would have a Chip in it with all your vital information. The chip could be monitored from satellites, and your location could be known at anytime. The Smart ID card is a thought still in process for our Government. But others are considering it soon.
The Card seems like a good idea because of all that is happening in the world today. So many will most likely agree to something this simple. “But then again” why not! It would make life much more secure and convenient, wouldn’t it? Or would it. The Smart ID Card could be just a stepping stone to the next level of a so called National Security plan.
There is already a company out there with a Chip called the VeriChip. The VeriChip is a implantable chip. It is the size of a rice grain. And its so-called purpose is to make your life more secure. “Why” you could implant one of these chips in your child just in case someone was to kidnap her or him, and the police could trace them down with the use of Satellites and save your child. You could pay a monthly fee and know exactly where your child is at all times by going to your computer and clicking on a program that will let you see on a map (or other) where your child is located. Sounds great, does it not! Of course there is much more that this chip can do. And I mean much more. All this seems to sound good, doesn’t it. But can you imagine what the future might look like with this type of control over you?
Many of you out there that are Christians think that everything already has taken place in what it says in the book of Revelations. But that is not quit true. The world is still here, and Jesus never came back yet. I would suggest to wake up folks. Our generation might not live to see this happen (I tend to lean towards that we just might see it taking place) but our children might. And because of that possibility, we should be strengthening each other and our children in the Lords words.
You might think that we as Christians do not have to worry about this happening because the Lord is our protector. And that is very true. But will you be able to stand up under persecution. With what’s going on in the world today with homosexuality and other major sins of imorality taking place. With the Gay community winning, what they call civil rights (But what in reality is sinful immoral acts of sexual imorality) comes another thought of major concern for the Christian.
After they get what they want in the category of Marriage. There will be no stopping them in what ever they demand to be moral. Christians will be their next target after they have won there civil rights. We as Christians will look like an evil and corrupt organization that is no better then the K.K.K. We will be made to look like the troublemakers in this society. And guess what will happen then. “People” If you do not think this can happen in this country or in this world. Then you had better burst those safe Bubbles of yours. I am not saying this is going to happen now, or will happen in the way I just explained it. But this is for sure, Christ is not going to come back to save us in destroy the world because the people in the world are being good little boys and girls. He is going to come back because the people of this world will not put up with sound doctrine any longer. When the world is just too sinful for Him to put up with any longer is when to expect his coming.
And yes, you are right. No one knows the day and hour of our Lords return. But there are signs that tell us that it just might be close at hand. ( Matthew 24: 32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.) Read all of Matthew chapter 24 to get the whole meaning of what is said here. There is much more being said here then Jerusalem falling to the Romans. It goes way beyond Jerusalem the City.

Again you might think that we as Christians do not have to worry about that day. And again I say you are right, but only in a since. You might not be worrying about that day for your own safety. But what about your neighbors and your coworkers and everyone else in the world that has not accepted our Lord yet. What will happen to them? I think we all know very well what their future holds for them. So by knowing this, we should be more powerful in our work for the Lord to bring as many as we can into His forgiveness.
Yes that’s right, you or I might not have to worry about the Lords coming if we are keeping with his ways. But many others do. So what should we be doing as Christians? We should be studying his word so as to be ready to make use of every opportunity that rises up before us.

There is much more that can be discussed on this matter. But to get back to the main idea that I started from in this section of the book. And that is, to not be to sure of what you have been taught to believe by others in your life, unless you have truly spent many hours and years into the study of these matters which were spoken of in this chapter. We should always be open (as long as it is not trampling on the words that God set down in the Bible for us) for more understanding.
There seems to be an opening of the word today. An increase in the knowledge of the Bible. Within the last five years, if not only three or four, there seems to be a better understanding of what is really being said in the Lords Book. I always wonder just what Daniel was really writing about when he spoke of the last days, where people would go from here and they’re to increase Knowledge. Read In the NIV Version (Daniel 12: 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.")

Now read what the King James version says. (Danial 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.)

By reading both you get a better understanding of what is being said here. It says that knowledge shall be increased. We can look at that in two ways. One is, that I do not remember Nero, Herod, King James or anyone else in times past driving around in big limousines and playing with their computers and sending e-mail to there buddies. In other words. We have seen in the last hundred years, an enormous Increase in Knowledge and science and technology. In just the last 20 to 25 years we have doubled that knowledge in the Science and technology areas. But besides all that, there seems to be a increase in the knowledge of the Lords words. The bible seems to have been opened up father for those who seek more knowledge of what God has planed for his people. Maybe this is just my imagination, and no one else sees this happening. Remember I could be wrong. I am just another Christian trying to come closer to the knowledge that God might want me to have. But there seems to be something happening today (Or something coming) that intrigues me to seek more and more of what The Lord put down in his book and the history that goes along with it.

After all these thoughts we have just discussed, we come back to who was, or is the antichrist anyway? Was it, or is it Mohammed? Or is the antichrist still to come? Christ said the antichrist was already with them two thousand years ago. He said the antichrist is anyone who denies that He is the Son of God. That might have been just the beginning of what was, or is to come. There definitely does seem to be something about a number system where no one, rich or poor can buy, sale or trade without this number. But that number does not necessarily have to be one number as 666. It could be that as the bible says. That 666 is mans number. Some think that this might have something to do with man being created on the sixth day. others tend to lean in this direction and add to it that we are now in our six thousandth year of creation after the flood, or before the flood. Is any of this right or wrong? I am not sure about all that. But it is something to maybe ponder upon. None of us are all that perfect and all knowledgeable. We can be wrong in our thinking. That is why the Lord said seek and ye shall find.( Matthew: 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.)

Remember again, that there is a difference of those who call themselves Christians, and of those who at least keep on trying to do better in the Lord. God is not created in our image. We are created in his. Do we think that He can not keep a little book together in the way that he wanted it to be. He created the whole universe. Everything in the Bible is to be obeyed. If we change anything in it to suite our own wants and needs. Then we deserve what is promised to those who disobey

To All

“Muhammad and the Prostitute”
Muhammad, The Great Anti Christ?
(TGAC)
A New Beginning?
Table of Contents

Beginning Note: Those who call themselves Christians and Muslims alike distort what the Bible actually says just to meet their needs and beliefs. But the Bible says what it says in truth. Mankind adds things to it. Read the Bible for what it really is, and you will find out things that you never thought were there.
When one translates something. They should realize that the translation all depends on how the sentence was said. But many take every possible meaning that one word might have and translate it to be what they want. It all depends on the tone and way that something is said also. Was it said in anger? Was it said as in a learning way? Was it said as a question? Was it said as a Parable to teach? Look in the book of Proverbs and wonder who is actually speaking here. (Proverbs 8:) Who was this craftsman at Gods side, The first of all creations? There are many other sections in the Old Testament where one can find Christ. But neither Catholics or Muslims will give into what God is really trying to tell us. Mostly because we have been told by other men who claim to be someone, and also claim to have all the answers to not study or even look for the truth on their own. Muslims are taught not to trust the people of the Book (Book meaning Bible). They are told that the People of the Book will lead them astray. And that would be true, if they followed the Church of Rome (Or the Prostitute that sets on the seven Hills. Actually the prostitute represents the City that ruled the world at one time. But the Bible speaks of another power coming from the First power in it’s own likeness).
But anyway, there is a big difference between those who call themselves Christians, and those who at least keep on trying to obey Gods Will.

We fight among each other because we refuse to obey God. We choose rather to do what Satan wants us to do. “Oh” how Lucifer must so delight in our hate for one another. I am only a man. But I will let God teach me what I need to Know. Of course many others say the same things as I do, but never truly try to understand what God is telling them. I am not saying I am totally right on everything. I make mistakes just like you. But I will always keep trying to learn more about the Lord. That is why I always say. Do not believe me for what I say. Prove me right or wrong by studying for yourselves. Pick up the Koran and study it. How will you know what your brothers believe in, unless you read it for yourself. The same goes for my Muslim Brothers. Pick up the Bible and read it for what it really says. Open up a history Book. Study, Study and Study some more. Do not let Satan deceive you any longer. This has been his plan from the beginning. To deceive mankind so as to have him destroy each other because of our own wants and beliefs. Do not believe just mere men (For which we all are). Believe God, and the proven history of the Bible. And as I hope and pray for Muslims in this truth, I also pray and hope for those who are Catholics.

Read these verses from Proverbs in the Old Testament. Who do you think it is speaking here? He says he was the first of all creations. He says he was the craftsman that stood by the side of God. Read for yourself what has been hidden, but was truly not. Only by our own selfishness do we miss what is really written in the Bible.

Proverbs 8: 22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;

PR 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

PR 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;

PR 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,

PR 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.

PR 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

PR 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,

PR 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

PR 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,

PR 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind

The above is very interesting is it not. But even as it is. There are those who will make it say what they want it to say. Now, one might say that these verses are only giving an example of the Wisdom that was Gods. But any way you look at it, It still points bank to the wisdom that stood next to God. But if you do not believe that this is speaking of Christ, then here is something a little bit more just to confirm what is written here.
Read Colossians 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Very Interesting, Is it Not? A child sometimes understands these things better then we. They understand it better mostly because they do not have the selfishness that we as adults have inside of us. Because of this selfishness of ours, we kill, torture and maim one another, and claim that we are doing it in the name of the Lord and for his sake. Never has anything been spoken so wrongly by Mankind! What hypocrites we are to follow the words of men, instead of God.

“Muhammad and the Prostitute”
A New Prophet?
Table of Contents

Muhammad while In Madinah was able to work freely in spreading Islam. The followers of Islam increased day after day. The ever increasing threat by the Makkans did not stop. Some small battles and confrontations occurred with the Makkans . Sometimes the battles were won by the Muslims, and sometimes by the Makkans. Muhammad also engaged in battles with the Persian and Byzantine Empire’s that were jeopardizing his newly formed Occult from the north and the east. But the battles with the Makkans stopped for a while after a treaty was made at Hudaibiyah that was signed by the Muslims and the Makkans who were thought as being unbelievers.
In Madinah, Muhammad succeeded in establishing Islam as a way of life in its supposedly true meaning. He provided Muslims with rules and Regulations to obey as if they were from God himself. His laws and rules govern many with an Iron scepter even till this day

Just before the fall (Or I should say the last fall of Rome the city, and the western Roman Empire) of Rome in the 7th century. (Of Course many say that Rome as a power with its Emperor was defeated in or around 470 AD) A certain man went to Rome to find out more about God. He thought he would be able to learn more about the Lord by talking and studying with the Christian Church (The Catholic Church) in Rome. But the only conclusion he came up with was that the Catholic Church at that time was not following what God had put down for man to obey. He saw them worshiping false idols in the Church buildings. They were praying to Mary, Peter and other saints. So in reality he knew that this was wrong. Except for the fact that he judged all Christianity on what he saw and learned in Rome. So he seemed to think that it was his duty to straiten mankind out on who God really was.
One might be able to say because of this, he started one of the worlds greatest Anti Christ’s Movements ever. He became the worlds greatest anti Christ leader, even to this day. (Could he have been the Great Anti Christ himself? He possibly could of been. But there is still much to study on this matter. Mostly because one could always be wrong on his theory’s). This mans name is Muhammad.
But anyway that one might look at who Muhammad really was and is. He still comes out to be an Anti Christ. He and his followers all deny that Christ is the Son of God. They say that he was only a profit. Basically they are saying that Christ was a minor prophet, and Muhammad was the great prophet that was to come. Are we to hate Muslims because of this? No we are not! They are mislead just like others are mislead by those who say that they are someone, when in reality they are only deceivers who want to rule over other’s. By doing this, they do it in his name. And I don’t mean Christ.

It is strange to me that this has not been spoken of through out the century’s. It seems to just have passed right by the Christian world. Except for the wars that went on during the Crusades. And the wars that went (Read the excerpts on the first page of this book.) on to make the Muslim religion what it is today. Some might think by reading this that the Church of Rome did think that he was the anti Christ (or something like one). Then again why would the Church of Rome think something like that? (When most likely the prostitute that sits on the seven hills spoken of in the Bible might represent the Church in Rome. Or it might even be the second beast. Remember, Rome was built on seven hills. Now Don’t jump up and down and stone me yet. These are just things that one should really study hard on). But that seems not to be the case. The wars were fought for land and rulership, and to force others to believe in what they believed. Of course both sides used God as their Excuse. Both sides thinking that God was on their side.

One would seem to wonder where the “devil” did not stand in those wars. And one might think which side was God really on. Well” you would have to take in the history of the Catholic Church at that time. And if you knew the Bible and studied it like you should. Then you would know that neither side obeyed what Christ left for us to honor the Father with. But even with all this happening, we should remember that there still were those then that knew neither side was right and followed the Lord in sometimes hidden places. There were always those who knew Christ for what he really was, and is. The Son of God, our savior. They knew that it was wrong to worship idols and the such. But because of their rebellion against the Catholic Church and the Muslims, they were often tortured and killed.
Our brothers and sisters of that era had it pretty bad it would seem. But they knew the truth. And as it says. The truth will set you free. Our brothers and sisters died because of their faith in the Lord. Even though they feared the pain of torture and death. They knew that they would live forever with the Lord. They knew that the Lord would save them in this way. By our Brothers and sisters dying in this way, they became an encouragement for others in times to come.

Many today believe that the anti Christ will rise and rule the world in the days to come. Some believe that he might be alive today and is just waiting for the right opportunity to start his rain of terror. I can not say that this will not happen in this way for sure. But by everything that I read and come up with in the Bible seems not to be on the side of those who think that the antichrist will be what they have made him out to be.
Not saying yes. But not saying no to this. There are many things we as Christians can be off on. Just like the Jews thought when Christ came. They thought when the Christ came, he would destroy the Romans and restore the Kingdom at that Time. They read the Scriptures and miss-interpreted them just as many do today. Never be to sure of yourselves of what you think you have found. The Bible also says that the antichrist will be Reveled. It could just Possibly be someone who might of already been here and the religion that he represents. This man could be someone that the Christians and world alike have just passed by without a second thought. Give or take a peace here and there.

Many Christians today get stuck on one idea, or belief, and stick with it till the day they die without exploring the rest of the Bible and the history that goes with it to see if what they believe could in realty be off just a little. “Not saying that they are wrong in there thoughts totally. But possibly being not quit right with the unfolding of the matter. I myself come to no permanent conclusions on many matters in the Bible, for I leave myself open to possibly being wrong on some things, but am convinced on many other matters. The Book of Revelations can be a tricky book for some. Mostly because many are taught by others to believe in what they have come up with in their own findings, which can be a good thing in some teachings. But can become a disaster if not put down and studied in the manner that God set for us to in the Bibles history. I am still studying and come to no permanent conclusions yet about some things in the Book of Revelations. But I do sway towards the positive in many other matters in what they might mean for us today.
If I hear someone talking about an antichrist that will be in the form of a man and will rule the whole world soon, or in the days to come. And if those who believe this, also preach a thousands years of peace on the earth and then the coming of Christ. Then I move back and take a deep breath because of the fact that the Bible does not really speak of a thousand years of peace. The ones who believe this, get this Idea from Revelations 20:, read this for a better understanding of what the thought might be in believing in a thousands years of peace on the earth. Also read Revelations 7: 1 to 4 and Revelations 14: 1 to 5.
But one can not just read two or three lines in a chapter and come up with the conclusion of a thousand years of peace before our Lords return. It is just not saying that here. You have to read the rest of the chapter, and the Bible to understand and get the big picture of it all. Here is something that tells us why it probably will not happen in this way. Mostly because it is to obvious. (But again, I say that I am still studying these matters also. So I could be wrong) Read in (1 Timothy: 1 to 11. Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.)

But don’t stop here, or begin here. Read the rest of it also. The whole thing fits together like a puzzle. “A simple, but complex Puzzle”.
There is a big possibility that the antichrist has already come and set his mark upon the world through a false religion, which is the second largest religion in the world. This religion and many of its followers are the reason that the world leaders of today are looking for new ways to protect themselves. Because of this religion, new security measures are being sought through out the world. One of the security measures being looked at today is an ID card that possess sophisticated biometric data, Called the Smart ID Card. This card would have a Chip in it with all your vital information. The chip could be monitored from satellites, and your location could be known at anytime. The Smart ID card is a thought still in process for our Government. But others are considering it soon.
The Card seems like a good idea because of all that is happening in the world today. So many will most likely agree to something this simple. “But then again” why not! It would make life much more secure and convenient, wouldn’t it? Or would it. The Smart ID Card could be just a stepping stone to the next level of a so called National Security plan.
There is already a company out there with a Chip called the VeriChip. The VeriChip is a implantable chip. It is the size of a rice grain. And its so-called purpose is to make your life more secure. “Why” you could implant one of these chips in your child just in case someone was to kidnap her or him, and the police could trace them down with the use of Satellites and save your child. You could pay a monthly fee and know exactly where your child is at all times by going to your computer and clicking on a program that will let you see on a map (or other) where your child is located. Sounds great, does it not! Of course there is much more that this chip can do. And I mean much more. All this seems to sound good, doesn’t it. But can you imagine what the future might look like with this type of control over you?
Many of you out there that are Christians think that everything already has taken place in what it says in the book of Revelations. But that is not quit true. The world is still here, and Jesus never came back yet. I would suggest to wake up folks. Our generation might not live to see this happen (I tend to lean towards that we just might see it taking place) but our children might. And because of that possibility, we should be strengthening each other and our children in the Lords words.
You might think that we as Christians do not have to worry about this happening because the Lord is our protector. And that is very true. But will you be able to stand up under persecution. With what’s going on in the world today with homosexuality and other major sins of imorality taking place. With the Gay community winning, what they call civil rights (But what in reality is sinful immoral acts of sexual imorality) comes another thought of major concern for the Christian.
After they get what they want in the category of Marriage. There will be no stopping them in what ever they demand to be moral. Christians will be their next target after they have won there civil rights. We as Christians will look like an evil and corrupt organization that is no better then the K.K.K. We will be made to look like the troublemakers in this society. And guess what will happen then. “People” If you do not think this can happen in this country or in this world. Then you had better burst those safe Bubbles of yours. I am not saying this is going to happen now, or will happen in the way I just explained it. But this is for sure, Christ is not going to come back to save us in destroy the world because the people in the world are being good little boys and girls. He is going to come back because the people of this world will not put up with sound doctrine any longer. When the world is just too sinful for Him to put up with any longer is when to expect his coming.
And yes, you are right. No one knows the day and hour of our Lords return. But there are signs that tell us that it just might be close at hand. ( Matthew 24: 32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.) Read all of Matthew chapter 24 to get the whole meaning of what is said here. There is much more being said here then Jerusalem falling to the Romans. It goes way beyond Jerusalem the City.

Again you might think that we as Christians do not have to worry about that day. And again I say you are right, but only in a since. You might not be worrying about that day for your own safety. But what about your neighbors and your coworkers and everyone else in the world that has not accepted our Lord yet. What will happen to them? I think we all know very well what their future holds for them. So by knowing this, we should be more powerful in our work for the Lord to bring as many as we can into His forgiveness.
Yes that’s right, you or I might not have to worry about the Lords coming if we are keeping with his ways. But many others do. So what should we be doing as Christians? We should be studying his word so as to be ready to make use of every opportunity that rises up before us.

There is much more that can be discussed on this matter. But to get back to the main idea that I started from in this section of the book. And that is, to not be to sure of what you have been taught to believe by others in your life, unless you have truly spent many hours and years into the study of these matters which were spoken of in this chapter. We should always be open (as long as it is not trampling on the words that God set down in the Bible for us) for more understanding.
There seems to be an opening of the word today. An increase in the knowledge of the Bible. Within the last five years, if not only three or four, there seems to be a better understanding of what is really being said in the Lords Book. I always wonder just what Daniel was really writing about when he spoke of the last days, where people would go from here and they’re to increase Knowledge. Read In the NIV Version (Daniel 12: 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.")

Now read what the King James version says. (Danial 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.)

By reading both you get a better understanding of what is being said here. It says that knowledge shall be increased. We can look at that in two ways. One is, that I do not remember Nero, Herod, King James or anyone else in times past driving around in big limousines and playing with their computers and sending e-mail to there buddies. In other words. We have seen in the last hundred years, an enormous Increase in Knowledge and science and technology. In just the last 20 to 25 years we have doubled that knowledge in the Science and technology areas. But besides all that, there seems to be a increase in the knowledge of the Lords words. The bible seems to have been opened up father for those who seek more knowledge of what God has planed for his people. Maybe this is just my imagination, and no one else sees this happening. Remember I could be wrong. I am just another Christian trying to come closer to the knowledge that God might want me to have. But there seems to be something happening today (Or something coming) that intrigues me to seek more and more of what The Lord put down in his book and the history that goes along with it.

After all these thoughts we have just discussed, we come back to who was, or is the antichrist anyway? Was it, or is it Mohammed? Or is the antichrist still to come? Christ said the antichrist was already with them two thousand years ago. He said the antichrist is anyone who denies that He is the Son of God. That might have been just the beginning of what was, or is to come. There definitely does seem to be something about a number system where no one, rich or poor can buy, sale or trade without this number. But that number does not necessarily have to be one number as 666. It could be that as the bible says. That 666 is mans number. Some think that this might have something to do with man being created on the sixth day. others tend to lean in this direction and add to it that we are now in our six thousandth year of creation after the flood, or before the flood. Is any of this right or wrong? I am not sure about all that. But it is something to maybe ponder upon. None of us are all that perfect and all knowledgeable. We can be wrong in our thinking. That is why the Lord said seek and ye shall find.( Matthew: 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.)

Remember again, that there is a difference of those who call themselves Christians, and of those who at least keep on trying to do better in the Lord. God is not created in our image. We are created in his. Do we think that He can not keep a little book together in the way that he wanted it to be. He created the whole universe. Everything in the Bible is to be obeyed. If we change anything in it to suite our own wants and needs. Then we deserve what is promised to those who disobey

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It's not Benedict's place -- nor is it any of Christendom's place -- to help Islam "deal with its more violent and extreme elements". THAT is our number one problem: our knee-jerk response to "help" other countries solve their problems. For us to insinuate ourselves into the middle of (what we perceive to be) problems in Islam is about as helpful to Muslims as it was when Europeans decided to "help" Native and Africans become "civilized" almost three centuries ago.

Look around us! Poverty, desolation, crime, abuse, neglect. There aren't enough social workers to deal with the everyday stuff we do to each other -- so we now want to what? "Help" Islam deal with violent and extreme elements? Tell you what:

Take care of Fred Phelps showing up at Walter Reed, shouting his blasphemous and inciteful diatribe, then we can talk about "helping" Islam with its extremists.

Stop anti-abortionists from blowing up clinics and murdering doctors, and then we can talk about "helping" Islam with its violence.

Feed our babies, get our children off the streets, and educate our young people -- give them a future -- then, maybe, we'll talk about "helping Muslims take on" the parts of their society they wish they could eradicate.

As Christians, our backyard is littered with the aftermath wrought by violence and extremism, and before Benedict starts trying to lead his sect of Christendom into "helping" people who really don't want our help, he needs to take a page out of Pope John Paul II's book and start working toward healing the rifts between Catholics and Protestant religions.

The Christian house isn't clean enough for our leaders to be going out and dictating what other religions should do when they need to weed out certain "elements". And it won't be clean enough, until we've plucked a few planks out of our own eyes first.

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well the turkish visitors have left and i took them to times square and to see the tree at rockefeller center and on a carriage ride through central park and as they were my guests and are very secular i didnt bother them with my religiosly oriented question because i know it would have made them uncomfortable and their was a language barrier that barred deep discussions- but we took alot of nice pictures and we all had a hoot...peace im not done with my answer by a long shot gaby

jazakhalakhairum rana

i have some people coming in from turkey tomorrow so ill ask their opinions about the papal visit
(other than the streets were closed down)which is all they told me when i asked- people are the same every where peeeace

Verses from the Quran:I believe this verse from the sura(chapter)The Dinner Table refering to Christians was posted before:

5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave with vanity.

The Chapter continues by describing the monks and priests with the following words:

[5.83] And when they hear what has been revealed to the apostle you will see their eyes overflowing with tears on account of the truth that they recognize; they say: Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth).
[5.84] And what (reason) have we that we should not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, while we earnestly desire that our Lord should cause us to enter with the good people?
[5.85] Therefore Allah rewarded them on account of what they said, with gardens in which rivers flow to abide in them; and this is the reward of those who do good (to others).

alethia may ALLAH return you safely

Alethia,

Have a good trip! When you come back, maybe you could give me a down to earth answer instead of quoting the "good book" to me.

Alethia,
it seems to me that you did not take into consideration Quran 60:8-9 which I mentioned earlier. Parts of Quran 9 was revealed during a time of war. When muslims and non muslims were at war with each other and muslims were being persecuted against for the sole reason that they were MUSLIM and were being driven out of their homes. Thus God allowed them to defend themselves rather than "turn the other cheek" which frankly wouldnt have worked.
"Verse 5 in surah Tauba was revealed when the pagans had broken the terms of the treaty with them and plotted to fight the Muslims; to counter it, the directive was given: “But when the forbidden months Are past, then fight and slay The pagans wherever you find them/ And seize them, beleaguer them/ And lie in wait for them/ In every stratagem of war.”
Likewise, when the pagans mounted a war on the faithful they were told in verse 14: “Fight them, and God will/ Punish them at your hands,/ Cover them with shame,/ And He will help you/ To overcome them.” In surah Muhammad, verse 4, the instructions were more
specific: “Therefore, when you meet/ The unbelievers at war/ Smite at their necks/ And subdue them/ Thereafter show generosity/ By granting them ransom.” "

(http://www.islamherald.com/asp/interfaith/hinduism/islam_victim_of_distortion.asp)
(http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/tafseer/tauba.htm)

You can't just take a passage out of the Quran without regards as to why it was revealed. Its not telling muslims to randomly kill non believers for the heck of it! come on man gimme a break. If that was the case how do you explain the relationship between muslims and christians in places like Morroco and Spain where Churches and Mosques were placed side by side and people lived with civility. If youve really studied Islam and the Science of the Quran you would know that. I cant help but think that your study involved but a few books about Islam and a shallow reading of the Quran.
The Quran 60.8-9 tells us that if they (Jews, Christians, Non Beleivers) dont war against the Muslims, then be KIND and JUST towards them.

Furthermore to say that the Prophet 'hijacked' Christian and Jewish doctrine is such bollocks. The Prophet was the seal to all of all Prophets. He was simply carrying the message of all faiths which started as monotheistic religions but eventually completely drifted away from the original teachings that there is only One God worthy of worship and to not align partners with him. Even Christians admit that the Bible has been changed and no two Bibles are the same. Furthermore how can people even claim that the Bible is the word of God or of Jesus when Jesus didnt even write it. It was written after his death. Furthermore there are so many things in the Bible which are scientifically untrue. You will never find that in the Quran because the Quran reflects that God is perfect because the Quran is perfect.
Now can you stop picking at the same things and move on?
ANd if Jesus came to die for Me and the Entire world as you said Alethia then why doesnt everyone in the entire world just go to Heaven? Why do we have to be Christian to go to Heaven then? and if we deny Jesus then its pretty pointless that he died for us isnt it? And if Jesus was the son of God, how can he be God as well? And if he was God and the Son of God (which i cant bring myself to understand) then how can he 'die' for us? i mean how can God die? and just because Jesus was a virgin doesnt mean he was God or the son of God for Gods sake! Jesus never claimed he was the Son of God. People only started saying that after he died.

Oh and I dont know why Christians arent allowed to preach to people in Muslim countries. I have no clue, maybe your better off asking those Muslim countries.

"I see the gospel "according to Luke", "according to John", "according to Matthew", .. etc. I DON'T SEE A GOSPEL "ACCORDING TO JESUS"! The "Gospel according to Jesus" can only be found in some chapters and verses in the Quran." - here here to that!

Dear Gaby,

Thanks for the question. Eternal life is not just duration of life after a believer dies but it is life in the here and now. Jesus changed my life 19 years ago when I studied the Bible and came to believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Since that day my life was made new.

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come" (2 Corinthians 5:17). Now I have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. I speak to Him is prayer and He speaks back to me through the Bible and through the way He leads my life.

Another aspect of life now in Christ is with fellow believers. We get together and have fun together and learn more about God.

I will be going out of town for a while so I will not be making any posts while I am gone. If I do not catch up with you all again I want Victoria, Gaby, and Thor to know that it has been a pleasure meeting you. God Bless You!

In Jesus' Love,

Alethia

"In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him" (1 John 4:9).

Verses of the day, from the Quran, Chapter 6:

110. Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold ! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

111. "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'".

112. Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear God, if ye have faith."

113. They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."

114. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O God our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the b est Sustainer (of our needs)."

115. God said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."

116. And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wo uldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

117. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

118. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

119. God will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: God well-pleased with them, and they with God: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment o f all desires).

120. To God doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.

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Such was the spirit in the missing Gospel of Jesus! Peace be upon Jesus and his mother Mary...

GABY what an excellent penetrating question---
when i was maybe 11-12ish i had a book of comics by this beatnik artist jim crane- i google him and cant find him- and there was this guy trying to make deals with god like if iworship you will you make me rich or something like that and at the end he said :o i must worship you becasue you are god? what kind of deal isthat? but that says it for me- ive thought al ong time about motives intentions and to worship god because youre going to get rewarded seems like the lowestr of weasel self serving maneuvers to me-
would we be good- kind- considerate of other humans if we werent rewarded/punished for our actions?
what if we had absolute freedom to live consequence free?
(like the 70s hee hee) just kidding i liked in austin powers when he said about living in the 60s without any consequence of sexual encounters- never mind i digress as always-

would we live with some code of honor some standard we hold ourselves too?
truly?
only judging ourselves?
i know humanists and atheists claim this and good for them-

i cant answer this right now because im cleaning and resealing the grout in my kitchen floor- but ill get back to you for sure-
do you believe this is my short answer?
peace

actually thor what youre suggesting is living life with a heightened sense of awareness of your own mortaltity- you assume that because someone is not trying to control that knowledge that they are not living consciously.

what if we packed that consciousness into our mentality right now? what if we tried to focus that sense of urgency and limited time into our everyday living- what if we tried to live every moment i the present instead of thinking about the future or obsessing over the past-dwelling in past hurts or angers or regrets-what if we tried to bring it out from insides ourselves instead of an outwardly imposed catalyst- do you know how many small and large and beautiful things happen when we relinquish control and admit we are really suscepible to the waves of fate?
would you concede that this is also a very valid mentality?

ithink you and gaby are having the same motives of living in the present but just perceive it's accomplishment differently.
what do you think?
did i misunderstand? let me know peace

Alethia and Victoria,

Both of you seem to be ardent students of your religious texts. And I am sure you are storng believers in your individual faiths.

The question I have is why is religion that important to you? Is it because you see it as a way of life while alive? Or is it beause you want to be rewarded with an afterlife?

TO THOR:

I WROTE:

ANSWER: No I would not!!! REASON: I like to live in the present and don't want to know what the future hold. "

YOU RESPONDED:

This is no reason. Knowing in no way obstructs your ability to live in the present, in fact it will only ENHANCE it if you Learn you have only a few years left, and then you try your utmost to enjoy them, travel, and generally do all the things you have postponed for later."

Actually, Thor, it is a very valid reason.

You are talking about living for another 5 or 10 years or longer and your ability to plan what you would do with the time you have left.

What if you were told that you will die in the next 10 minutes? How much planning can you do then?

When my time is up, it's up, so be it. But I'd rather not know!

alethia, im a little disappointed- i have had suspicons of your good intentions and have bent over backward to assume the highest motives-

now you reveal that you have had this conversation and are well versed in these accusations, so obviously you have something in mind-

just tell us the answer you want ecveryone to hear!

what was posted here was more of a defense- the only accusation is the implicitly slanderous question.

obviously you have a well stocked website that has dealt lengthily in this topic-
so skip all this foreplay and just give us the answer i know you have.

peace peace peace

Here is how our fellow christians came to the conclusion that the bible should be trusted:

"To determine the accuracy of the manuscripts, we can compare the Bible manuscripts to manuscripts of other literature. If we are going to be fair, we should not require more of the Bible than we do other literature, but the Bible will hold up to even more scrutiny.

The chart below lists some documents, how many known original manuscripts, and the time span from the first known manuscript and when the document was authored.

Author No. of Copies Time Span
Caesar 10 1.000 years
Plato (Tetralogies) 7 1,200 years
Tacitus (Annals) 20 1,000 years
Pliny the Younger (History) 7 750 years
Suetonius (De Vita Caesarum) 8 800 years
Homer (Iliad) 643 500 years
New Testament Over 24,000 25 years

This data is from "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell 1979.
"

Very scientific indeed!!!

Alethia wrote:

"Just what I thought, you dodged the questions like every other Muslim friend on this thread. You make the same accusations I have been listening to for years by my Muslim friends yet never with any proof. All you are doing is setting up straw men. I pray that you will see the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that you can experience His love and forgiveness."

After ALL these questions that I asked you and in which I implied "how weak" your position is, you say I dodged the question? Amazing!

You say, "Gospel of Jesus Christ"

I see the gospel "according to Luke", "according to John", "according to Matthew", .. etc. I DON'T SEE A GOSPEL "ACCORDING TO JESUS"! The "Gospel according to Jesus" can only be found in some chapters and verses in the Quran.

Shalamu Alaikum (As Jesus would "say it")!

Dear Friend,

Just what I thought, you dodged the questions like every other Muslim friend on this thread. You make the same accusations I have been listening to for years by my Muslim friends yet never with any proof. All you are doing is setting up straw men. I pray that you will see the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that you can experience His love and forgiveness.

Love in Jesus Christ,

Alethia

Alethia wrote:

"I have been waiting for weeks for a Muslim to answer the following questions. Why is it illegal to preach conversion to Christianity in the Muslim world?"

Do you want to have a license to take people away from the light of knowledge in Islam into the darkness and confusion of christianity? In the west, Islam is propagating very fast, even in the midst of this angry attacks on Islam. Why don't you start where you are and try to convert some?

Have you ever been to any of these countries that you want to go to and preach? Do you know that most arabs actually know a lot more about the bible than most christians? Do you know that the arabs are not moved at all when someone reads some bible verses to them? That's because they got used to the high standrads of the Quranic recitation. I am not trying to be mean here. Believe me I am telling you the truth. Do you know that many christians in the middle east are hiding their believe in Islam and have actually converted but afraid to show it because of the pressure from the churches there? Perhaps you can try and convert these people back first.

Do you know that most of the christians who convert to Islam in the middle east are either young and outspoken or too old and afraid to meet their Lord before making the announcement? Do you know that christians in the middle east are "instructed" to not listen to the Quran when recited? Do you know that christians in the middle east are "instructed" not to discuss or engage in any religious debate with muslims?

Imagine yourself standing in front of a muslim, and he asks you, from which christian denomination are you? Which version of the bible do you use? The moment you answer these questions (and you have to), you have discredited yourself. It is self destructive to be grilled in front of a youngster who asks basic questions that you can't answer. Have you ever listned a muslim preacher? Do you know how balanced and logical these speeches are? I sure listned to a lot of christian preachers and I know the big gap in the message between the two. What Islam give muslims is freedom of belief with no restrictions on reading other scriptures and compare notes. That's why muslims have such strong faith. What will you do when every wall of confusion you build, they bring it down in front of your eyes (much like what I did with you)? Muslims use the Quran as the "quality control" scripture over others. What will you do when a muslim tells you that you can't trust the bible as it is today because out of the 24,000 available bible manuscripts, no two are identical? I imagine a young kid running toward you and asks: Uncle, how do you know if the true message is in the bible that use and is not in the other (24,000 - 1) ones out there.

Did you ever think that may be, just may be, it is the church that doesn't want you to go there? Hmmmm! You are giving me some ideas now! Perhaps muslims are the ones who should start preaching Islam at a corner near to you! Now that was fun!

Peace on you (as Jesus himself said in the bible! Did you know that one?)

come on alethia- why dont you ask abul kasem? the darling of faithfreedom.org?

hes an apostate but is still alive and kicking enough to pander to islamophobes. daniel pipes? hes written reams of hateful yes i said it- hateful orientalist anti-islam books-

look- if youre hetting your information from people who loudly proclaim their hatred for islam- how can you expect it to be a respected opinion?

if you really want to know the answer to this question- ive offered you websites- and now this lady has offered you another one sunnipath.com

we need to move on from this subject-

alethia- show us something positive about your faith-

do you have any interesting stories that would uplift us?

i know you have more in you than this tired question which you keep asking ive seen many people answer you

come on be positive

faithfreedom.org? tellchildrenthetruth which seems a thinly veiled jewish anti muslim site?

im certainly getting an education...

I have read the Quran many times and never went upon the word "spread by the sword" but what i read was .." And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldst thou (Muhammad) compel men until they are believers? *99
It is not for any soul to believe save by the permission of Allah. He hath set uncleanness upon those who have no sense. *100
Yunus : Jonah 10 : 99-100 (The Noble Qur'an)
and if we have to see why did mouhamad fought the jews in the madena , we should read the histor very good and see that there was a treaty between the jews and the muslims and the jews broke the treaty ..if we can read the deatails mabe we could come with a clear idea about what realy happened.

this is the truth and perhaps i set myself up to criticism for it but- i became muslim 2 years before 911 through prayer and study- im a white american type and i used to always volunteer that i became muslim without marrying one- and i met an african american fellow in chicago and when i told him that he told me he didnt become muslim in prison and we laughed and we laughed---anyway- i was so clueless that - you know that white cotton cloth you often see people wearing in the eastern world? well its called MUSLIN-- AND I SWEAR I THOUGHT THAT the people who wore that cloth were called MUSLINS AFTER THEIR CLOTHES!! and ive read alot of rumi and sufi stuff and all sorts of stuff about islam and i didnt quite make the connection- admittedly Alot of stuff i read was really dated like 1001 nights translated by richard burton but still i know well what you speak of...

Dear Sidrah,

You are very careful with your selection of verses. One thing that I have already discussed on this thread is the doctrine of abrogation. Qur'an 9 cancels all the peaceful verses towards Christians and Jews.

Al-Shawkani
Suyuti in his book استنباط التنزيل (Istenbat al tanzeel) says: “Every thing in the Qur'an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5.” Al-Shawkani in his book السيل الجرار (Alsaylu Jarar 4:518-519) says: “Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case.”
Please note that I am not telling Muslims which verses to follow and which not. As I said earlier, I believe 100% in an individual’s right to choose his or her beliefs. However, what I am saying is that according to the Islamic doctrine of abrogation, these verses are null and void. They are contradicted by later verses, and in Islam it is the later verses which must be followed today.

I have been waiting for weeks for a Muslim to answer the following questions. Why is it illegal to preach conversion to Christianity in the Muslim world? Why would I be arrested or murdered if I publicly preached conversion to Christianity in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc? Is Islam a religion of peace that has been "high jacked" by all these Islamic nations? The truth is Muhammad high jacked some doctrine from Christianity and Judaism when He came along six-hundred years after Christ. He then made up his own religion. When Jews and Christians rejected his message because it was heresy he became violent. What we see today in the Muslim world is his followers following his example.

I do not point these things out because I hate I point them out, out of love for the true and living God and out of love for my fellow humans. Jesus was the only begotten Son of God. Even Muhammad knew He was born of a virgin. Why was He born of a virgin? It is because He is God. Jesus is God incarnate and He came to die for you Sidrah and the entire world.

In Jesus' Love,

Alethia

PS: I studied Islam before 9/11. 9/11 just reinforced what I already knew.

"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'" (John 14:6).

"Slowly the West is giving up it's freedoms, to eventual enslavement to Islam."

its funny how people only make silly comments like this after 9/11. Before that no one even know what Islam was and all of a sudden everyone is an expert on the religion.